tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post1122131806827131316..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: The Paternity of Edward I RevisitedKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20553474789870697052016-03-28T15:55:03.912+01:002016-03-28T15:55:03.912+01:00Sorry, no, I don't know as it's not my fin...Sorry, no, I don't know as it's not my find.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-39305775199645353922016-03-28T15:50:40.910+01:002016-03-28T15:50:40.910+01:00Hi Kathryn. I've been reading this post - grea...Hi Kathryn. I've been reading this post - great job! May I ask where can I find the evidence for the advice given to Eleanor by her physician? It's pretty interesting. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-45057329611061501512013-02-25T13:42:31.130+00:002013-02-25T13:42:31.130+00:00Awww, thank you so much, Kasia! :) :) That really...Awww, thank you so much, Kasia! :) :) That really means a lot to me!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-42643387526166149952013-02-25T11:21:00.867+00:002013-02-25T11:21:00.867+00:00Hi Kathryn :-) I can see I'm a little bit late...Hi Kathryn :-) I can see I'm a little bit late, but still: Congratulations! I totally agree: your blog is absolutely amazing! You are and always will be an example to me :-)Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-40613423574096167912013-02-23T13:48:50.543+00:002013-02-23T13:48:50.543+00:00And within the last few hours on Facebook, we'...And within the last few hours on Facebook, we've had the expected Author Pity Party, with reams of text on how my posting a review of the novel on Amazon and five people (so far) clicking it as helpful is a 'co-ordinated attack' on the author which must be fought by fans clicking the 'unhelpful' button on my review to push it down the page, and yet more wearisome, endless repetition of the reasons setting out why the author thinks 'that Edward I was Montfort’s natural son' which are no more convincing to me than they were the first 318 times I read them. Sigh.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-38292715693916292362013-02-22T17:36:19.208+00:002013-02-22T17:36:19.208+00:00"Can you imagine the reaction of any king of ..."Can you imagine the reaction of any king of England on being told to his face that his grandmother was an adulteress and his grandfather a cuckold and his father not of royal blood, meaning that neither his father nor he had any right to occupy the throne?"<br /><br />I can imagine it only too vividly. What I can't imagine is a provincial women's choir deciding it would be a smart move to provoke that reaction. Do these people actually think before they start typing?chris yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07556240635442613879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-57968096816483171562013-02-21T19:04:08.777+00:002013-02-21T19:04:08.777+00:00I find this accepting of historical fiction as fac...I find this accepting of historical fiction as fact really alarming. It seems to be aimed at casual history fans with sensationalist storylines which become accepted as fact. I'm still sick of the damage 'The Other Boleyn Girl' has done. And now this - without a shred of evidence!<br /><br />Congrats on the blog recommendation! You deserve it!Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-74200251910758802042013-02-21T07:08:08.267+00:002013-02-21T07:08:08.267+00:00Perhaps Simon was able to pregnate this woman acro...Perhaps Simon was able to pregnate this woman across the seas. I mean, this is not the first super man who has been claimed to be able to do that in English history??<br /><br />Good job, once again, K.Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-2801907376734415512013-02-21T05:32:32.381+00:002013-02-21T05:32:32.381+00:00Dear lord, I can't believe we're still hav...Dear lord, I can't believe we're still having to make these arguments!<br /><br />P.S. wouldn't you think that *IF* an author was being forced to work from an incomplete copy of the Patent Rolls (?!), that they wouldn't be so certain that any 'lacunae' arose from contemporary concealment and not from pages simply being missing...?Kathleenhttp://thirteenthcenturyengland.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-66378312627706562362013-02-20T19:23:55.288+00:002013-02-20T19:23:55.288+00:00Thanks, Esther! I totally agree. It's a bonk...Thanks, Esther! I totally agree. It's a bonkers theory, just as mad as the one that Edward II didn't father Edward III (seeing as Edward II was with Isabella at the right time as well...).Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-4314707334352626252013-02-20T19:21:59.939+00:002013-02-20T19:21:59.939+00:00Let's see ... even assuming that Simon was at ...Let's see ... even assuming that Simon was at Kenilworth in Sept of 1238, I don't see how this casts doubt on Edward I's paternity ... as Henry was there, too. Makes no sense. You did a great job of research, though ... as always.<br /><br />Esther<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-33950191921322695452013-02-20T18:53:07.041+00:002013-02-20T18:53:07.041+00:00Not to mention stating in her author's notes t...Not to mention stating in her author's notes that Henry III was known as 'Henry of Monmouth' after his birthplace. I don't believe I've ever seen anyone confuse Henry III and Henry V before.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-42620218885183128602013-02-20T18:51:24.498+00:002013-02-20T18:51:24.498+00:00She was definitely originally using Labarge's ...She was definitely originally using Labarge's book as her source for Henry being at Kenilworth in Sept 1238. I assume Labarge herself got that from CPR, though she didn't cite a ref, apparently.<br /><br />I was stunned in the third one to see that she has poor Queen Eleanor taking someone else as a lover as well, and was absolutely astonished to see her errors about Gwenllian being born 'too soon' after Llywelyn and Eleanor de Montfort's wedding, and their non-existent daughter 'Katherine' uniting North and South Wales. Eh?Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-49894776166505215372013-02-20T18:28:26.036+00:002013-02-20T18:28:26.036+00:00I believe she attributed the first inkling that He...I believe she attributed the first inkling that Henry (and I assume, Eleanor de Provence) was at Kennilworth in September 1238 to Margaret Wade Labarge's Bio of Simon de Montfort. I haven't been able to obtain a copy of that book, so I couldn't check. It's true that Ashe had not located the cpr reference and she puts that down to having studied (library of Congress?) old versions of the cpr's which had sections missing. I'm writing from memory, so may be not too certain.<br />In any case, regardless of the inaccuracies, I found the four volumes to be utter wall bangers portraying Simon as a short sighted, weeping adulterer. To say I was disappointed would be an understatement..!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-88609280718711465382013-02-20T15:45:07.751+00:002013-02-20T15:45:07.751+00:00Hi! Yes, I also found that ref to Kenilworth on 1...Hi! Yes, I also found that ref to Kenilworth on 15 September (I know it by heart now, CPR 1232-47, p. 233), and I cite that Matthew Paris section in the post, from the Giles edition. Baffles me how the author didn't notice the Kenilworth ref on the Patent Roll, or all the other ones I cite here demonstrating how long after September 1238 it was still a royal castle, given how eager she was to talk of 'deliberate concealment' of Henry's whereabouts!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-53429752440884563622013-02-20T15:37:00.122+00:002013-02-20T15:37:00.122+00:00Hi Kathryn.
I of course agree with your comments ...Hi Kathryn.<br /><br />I of course agree with your comments above. A couple of years ago I was in correspondence with the author and in fact, it was I who located the CPR stating Henry was at Kenilworth in September 1238. However, I also pointed out to her that Matthew Paris, whom she follows in most instances, states quite clearly that Simon de montfort arrived back in Englan on the 14 October 1238.:<br /><br />"On St. Calixtus's day (Oct 14) Simon de Montfort returned from the continent and was received by the king and all the royalists to the kiss of peace. He then set out with all haste to his wife Eleanor, who was staying at Kenilworth, very near her confinement."<br /><br />'Staying at' is a strange way of describing their home, if it was their home, don't you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com