tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post1915496401527718895..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: The Siege of Berwick and the Chapter of MytonKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-57909920063071236742022-08-11T10:08:56.775+01:002022-08-11T10:08:56.775+01:00We should not see this period as the Scottish and ...We should not see this period as the Scottish and English wars. It was not a war between nations, It was a geographic war over land and power between the same Norman,Flemmish ,Brittonic and Scandinavian/Anglo Nobles. all starting from a power void when the Princes died crossing the North sea from Norway. No different from earlier conflicts between Empress Matilda and Stephen. It was a war that evolved from the very same conflict. Scotland/Lowlands Northumberland and Cumbria had been populated by Matildas uncle David I, with men loyal to him and Matilda. The Fitzalans,Setons,Hedleys,Quincy, Morville,Russel,Heriz(Harris),Balliol,Hamilton St Claire,Giffard(Bolbec),Lindsay.Gordon,Bruce and Comyn just a few of many other families. William Wallace did not camp out in Rothbury forest during his attack on Northumberland in a kilt talking to his men in a Wee Scottish accent. Nor did The Bruce and Comyn at Greyfriar's Kirk. Braveheart movie has a lot to answer for. They spoke the same Anglo French language, ate the same food worshiped in the same abbeys. It ripped brother from father wife from husband. It later was compounded by one of the worst weather events in history then famine. The origins of the Border Reivers. I still live among the same families now in Northumberland. Family that own land on both sides of the border. I was still fighting With the Bruce off spring as a child at school;). I have Rutherford(Flemish} friends who at this time would have been my enemy. This land was still in transition from old Bernicia and Strathclyde not really Scotland as we know it today.Alan Hedleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16492843101953091611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-41465607386544754482015-03-31T05:09:03.226+01:002015-03-31T05:09:03.226+01:00Thank you, Gerald!Thank you, Gerald!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-30952311556587759292015-03-30T20:37:18.915+01:002015-03-30T20:37:18.915+01:00Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubi...Warfare is a fascinating subject. Despite the dubious morality of using violence to achieve personal or political aims. It remains that conflict has been used to do just that throughout recorded history.<br /><br />Your article is very well done, a good read.Geraldhttp://www.greatmilitarybattles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-78918280467802717332011-04-08T10:21:01.685+01:002011-04-08T10:21:01.685+01:00Sadly for the Scots, The position was reversed in ...Sadly for the Scots, The position was reversed in 1338, Edward III was the capable camander of The Scots force, without the capable William Douglas (Captive in ERngland) were led by rash young noblemen, desparate for glory... and Berwick fell utterly.<br />Of Course, Edward II had executed the young Thomas Seton of that Ilk during the seige, just to show the Scots that he was serious about wanting Berwick...<br />Also, he was Aided By Patric Dunbar, who was a self serving throne seeker, who had become keeper of Berwick Castle, as a way for the Scots to maeuver him out of c0ontrol of the MArches (A plot conceived by his Missus who though he was a self seving bastard with no loyalties) BAlck Agnes of Dunbar and MArch.. gotta love her.Ronnie Soakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619423911526952408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-58291071021503528482009-07-12T07:09:42.541+01:002009-07-12T07:09:42.541+01:00There's really nothing I can say to someone wh...There's really nothing I can say to someone who thinks that I must hate the Scots simply because I write about a king of England attacking a Scottish town 700 years ago.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-73344466868350804542009-07-12T03:33:46.362+01:002009-07-12T03:33:46.362+01:00You know, I have a lot of sympathy with your view ...You know, I have a lot of sympathy with your view of Edward II, but your hatred of the Scots is a good deal less than attractive. Does it ever occur to you that they might have considered that they had a right to their own country without constant invasions of conquest?J. R. Tomlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01109874615059334200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-44447577036109245222009-05-20T20:02:13.107+01:002009-05-20T20:02:13.107+01:00Looks like there's something to generation jumps o...Looks like there's something to generation jumps of genes - ED I and III got the military ones which Ed II totally missed out on. :)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-82527975424688008372009-05-20T12:39:52.166+01:002009-05-20T12:39:52.166+01:00Carla: I agree. Berwick suffered particularly dur...Carla: I agree. Berwick suffered particularly during the Great Famine of 1315-17, then Edward III more or less destroyed the town in 1333. It's a wonder the place still exists!<br /><br />Good point about Bruce et al learning from a lot from Ed I's era. Bruce supposedly said at Ed II's accession that he feared the bones of the dead king more than he feared the living one, and that it was easier to get a whole kingdom from the son than a foot of land from the father. As it turned out, he was right.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-89357424144634003492009-05-20T12:28:53.124+01:002009-05-20T12:28:53.124+01:00Life in Berwick for the ordinary Joe must have bee...Life in Berwick for the ordinary Joe must have been a real bundle of laughs in the Middle Ages, mustn't it? I sometimes wonder how the town survived at all.<br /><br />Bruce, Douglas and Moray no doubt learned a lot (the hard way) about effective military action from Edward I. Fightng poor Edward II must have seemed like taking sweets from a baby in comparison.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-35156751324584342212009-05-19T11:56:00.000+01:002009-05-19T11:56:00.000+01:00Kate: the translation's completely inspired, isn't...Kate: the translation's completely inspired, isn't it? Laugh out loud stuff. And now I have a vivid mental image of Edward singing 'I'm a lover not a fighter' to Piers Gaveston. :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-74140746947223839652009-05-19T07:22:00.000+01:002009-05-19T07:22:00.000+01:00Sorry Alianore, your post was WONDERFUL but it was...Sorry Alianore, your post was WONDERFUL but it was overshadowed by the word "paddywack". Too funny. Love that translation.<br /><br />I really appreciate that you are happy to point out poor Edward II's flaws. Fighting wasn't his thing. Perhaps he was a lover instead...? *winks*Kate Plantagenetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-17055704490223589132009-05-18T20:01:00.000+01:002009-05-18T20:01:00.000+01:00I know, poor Edward! Just his luck to have to fac...I know, poor Edward! Just his luck to have to face the likes of Bruce, Douglas and Moray.<br /><br />My favourite is 'as lickety-split as empathy', which is how the translator rendered 'as quickly as possible'.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-25565738789085079562009-05-18T19:45:00.000+01:002009-05-18T19:45:00.000+01:00Re: the translator. I look forward to a novel abou...Re: the translator. I look forward to a novel about Edward III entitled Uneasy Lies the Fingernail.Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-80272193557645972312009-05-18T14:47:00.000+01:002009-05-18T14:47:00.000+01:00Poor Edward! How different things would have been ...Poor Edward! How different things would have been if he had been a better military leader--or if the Scots had had worse ones.Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.com