tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post226025826619391232..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Alais of France, Edward II and the County of PonthieuKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-68800166069785157722015-04-23T02:25:15.123+01:002015-04-23T02:25:15.123+01:00This is all so simple... Now it will indeed keep m...This is all so simple... Now it will indeed keep me awake!😳Isabelle T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-56174745429873980232013-03-06T14:09:38.298+00:002013-03-06T14:09:38.298+00:00Thanks for the comments, everyone! (Have just rea...Thanks for the comments, everyone! (Have just realised I haven't commented here for ages! :)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-24380429908970241062013-03-06T12:53:42.257+00:002013-03-06T12:53:42.257+00:00Kathryn thank you for birthday wishes. Henry must ...Kathryn thank you for birthday wishes. Henry must be very happy :-)Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-33563657087148207742013-03-03T13:22:16.405+00:002013-03-03T13:22:16.405+00:00Given how interconnected medieval European aristoc...Given how interconnected medieval European aristocracies were, it didn't surprise me that Edward inherited Ponthieu, but I didn't know the exact mechanism, so thanks for this detailed post. <br /><br />Have you ever been to Montreuil-sur-Mer (which isn't 'sur Mer' any more)? It's a very pretty little town with a beautiful walk round the ramparts. Highly recommended if you're ever in the area or passing through.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-70902993865801981222013-03-02T18:17:33.998+00:002013-03-02T18:17:33.998+00:00Kathryn, fascinating post! One more time such a me...Kathryn, fascinating post! One more time such a meticulous research! And I do thank you for mentioning the Young Henry so many times :-) and Marguerite and Constance... and for the link to Henry's blog. I've learned so much of the history of Ponthieu. Thank you!Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-29346920369452991842013-02-28T19:28:33.657+00:002013-02-28T19:28:33.657+00:00Enjoyed this post - I realised I had no idea where...Enjoyed this post - I realised I had no idea where exactly Ponthieu was, and now appreciate it's importance. To think Edward wanted to give it away to you-know-who ;>Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-73182043204065842442013-02-27T20:23:47.623+00:002013-02-27T20:23:47.623+00:00Here is a link to a video of that battle and some ...Here is a link to a video of that battle and some explanations why Edward II must have wanted to be on that spot. Some one if not he himself knew about that berm or bank on the bottom of the valley which dictated the course of that afternoon and evening.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85CcSgnDgPoSami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-56700013476717330622013-02-27T20:14:23.499+00:002013-02-27T20:14:23.499+00:00My take is that Edward III knew excately why he ha...My take is that Edward III knew excately why he had to get into the open vale between Wadicourt and Crecy and he propably had advisors who were familiar with the region. Some military historians have pointed out that this area was indeed familiar for the english during the campaign 1347.Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-88456358032793540322013-02-27T18:44:27.895+00:002013-02-27T18:44:27.895+00:00Hi again Monte! Yes, you're absolutely right ...Hi again Monte! Yes, you're absolutely right - I've seen Edward II called 'comte de Pontiff et Monstroil', Ponthieu and Montreuil. I should have said that in the post, really. :) Edward II almost never used the title, though, unless he was actually dealing with affairs in Ponthieu. Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-78778166453427195082013-02-27T18:34:32.576+00:002013-02-27T18:34:32.576+00:00While we are on this topic :) - I have encountered...While we are on this topic :) - I have encountered the title of Count/Countess of Montreuil for Eleanor of Castille and also Edward III (in addition to that of Ponthieu). Are you familiar with this? Was it actually a separate title? I assume it was associated with the lands surrounding the town of that name in Ponthieu? I saw both counties referenced when Edward III's titles were confiscated by Philip VI in the 1330s.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03319911324398594728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-41180996793351340392013-02-27T14:49:20.259+00:002013-02-27T14:49:20.259+00:00Thank you, Monte, so glad you enjoyed the post! I...Thank you, Monte, so glad you enjoyed the post! I agree, the connection between Edward III and Crécy doesn't seem to be particularly well-known.<br /><br />I think it's a very plausible idea that Edward's advisers knew the lay of the land well at the time of the battle! I don't know how often Edward III himself visited Ponthieu, but Edward II certainly spent some time there over the years.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-12227636010504707512013-02-27T14:45:24.389+00:002013-02-27T14:45:24.389+00:00What a great article - thank you! I have been asse...What a great article - thank you! I have been assembling a database of European titled nobility between 1200-1400, and came across this title and the family trees that placed possession of the county in the hands of English kings. This has an interesting connection to Edward III and the Battle of Crecy that I don't think has been discussed enough.<br /><br />The fact that there was some level of an English presence in Ponthieu for decades meant that it was very likely that some of the men around Edward III on the Crecy campaign would have been familiar with the county. Knowing this, it makes even more sense that it was here that Edward III stopped running to make his stand against the French army. Crecy is one of the few battlefields I have been able to visit personally. The location gave Edward's army a huge advantage over the advancing French. Was it only luck that led him to that spot, or was he advised by those who knew the lay of the land?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03319911324398594728noreply@blogger.com