tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post315566161194567752..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Margaret of Norfolk, Duchess of NorfolkKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-85520426844585059022022-01-27T18:03:03.597+00:002022-01-27T18:03:03.597+00:00The antiquarians did like to write with a flourish...The antiquarians did like to write with a flourish didn't they?!<br />Yes, I think you're probably right :-) Louise Wyattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-55784785765086069542022-01-27T07:51:50.979+00:002022-01-27T07:51:50.979+00:00Thanks, Louise! There's a very similar antiqua...Thanks, Louise! There's a very similar antiquarian statement about a supposed son of Henry of Grosmont and Isabella Beaumont who died young, hence my suspicion.<br /><br />I tend to think Alice was the second born given that she was at least 14 in August 1338, though it's possible that Alice Hales gave birth to the three in rapid succession and Edward did come between his sisters. His wife, Roger Mortimer's daughter Beatrice, must have been some years older.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-55086226988089290942022-01-27T07:43:46.020+00:002022-01-27T07:43:46.020+00:00I'm going to have to check my chapter on Marga...I'm going to have to check my chapter on Margaret now ;-)<br />I have found references to the two Johns and Margaret Segrave children as well as 'Walterus child'in 1358. I'm assuming Walter's child might be the enigmatic Thomas Mauny although doesn't substantiate any reference to him drowning in a well at Deptford, which is an antiquarian statement with no ref grrrr. I'm no fan of D.Richardson if I'm honest. <br /><br />Interesting you have Margaret as first born, then Alice with Edward of Norfolk as the youngest. I thought Margaret was the eldest but couldn't decide if Edward came before or after Alice.<br /><br />I've also come to the (unqualified!) conclusion that Thomas of Brotherton and Edward II were very alike as half-brothers - striking, strong and prone to violence with no talent for affairs of state! I think their hearts were in the right place (Thomas kept retainers for years and didn't tax his tenants) but they were a bit misguided.<br /><br />And since researching Margaret, all I see in my head when thinking about her is Margaret Thatcher! ��Louise Wyattnoreply@blogger.com