tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post3336441272034144104..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Women of Edward II's Reign: Aline Burnell Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-16090942160056453052021-08-04T12:36:42.749+01:002021-08-04T12:36:42.749+01:00Actually no, I haven't read the chartulary, so...Actually no, I haven't read the chartulary, so please do let me know if you find anything in it! :-) Somehow, although I don't know that much about him, I like William a lot, not sure why.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-34107628063130063122021-08-04T12:24:50.990+01:002021-08-04T12:24:50.990+01:00I've never known a name in history that was sp...I've never known a name in history that was spelt in so many ways. It seems to originate from Herculaneum Italy, after the Pompeii and Herculaneum disaster. I think the Romans named High ercal Herculaneum due to its volcanic situation in Shropshire.The name seems to have given many of the scripters quite the spelling problems. I have started picking through the minefield of names in Shropshire and Northumberland over the years. Ranulf de Herklewe seems to be the Northumberland connection during the early Norman push into Northumberland. It is when the Hedley/ercal family came North with Balliol. We know how that ended up a few centuries later with that Wallace bloke😁. Have you read the Wombridge priory of st leanards chartulary. I wonder if Alina is mentioned in it. The priory was founded by William de ercalewe the first, wife Sybila peveral daughter of Hamo and Alan de Hedley their son. If I find anything I will let you know. Alan Hedleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16492843101953091611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-53039938296772362042021-08-04T11:34:28.272+01:002021-08-04T11:34:28.272+01:00Hi Alan, nice to meet you! I've found quite a ...Hi Alan, nice to meet you! I've found quite a few refs to William Ercalewe, with approx 173 variant spellings, especially in connection with, as you say, Aline Despenser Burnell. He also appears on record quite often as the steward of Hugh Despenser the Younger's eldest son Sir Hugh Despenser (d. 1349), Aline's nephew, and is mentioned in my book about the Despensers, albeit rather briefly. I do sometimes wonder about William's closeness to Aline, and what might have gone on between them. She was a widow for 48 years (1315-63), so it certainly seems plausible that she and William were lovers, or even a married couple perhaps.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-60361174451781980582021-08-04T11:17:11.171+01:002021-08-04T11:17:11.171+01:00This is all great reading. I've been researchi...This is all great reading. I've been researching the Hedley/Ercalewe family for some time now. Always wondered how William de Ercal/Ercalewe V became so successful. William de Hedley married into the Peverel family C1100. He became lord of High ercal/Ercalewe, Shropshire. His father may have been Gosfrid who held Hadley Shropshire under Ranulf de Balliol. I could waffle for hours but jump forward to William V, your man in the blog. I always thought it was when the family married into the Burnell line that gave them another step up. It probably did. My big question is was it possible that William may have married Alina giving him the Castle commission.Williams first wife was an unknown Alina.On reading your blog's they crop up quite often together in various adventures. He was given quite a few castles in this timeline. The same William was at Boroughbridge as Arcalou 21st knight I think, in the battle roll. It is probably his effigy in high ercal church. I've also never been able to connect the Newport's to the family who held High Ercal later on, they included the Hedley arms with theirs so it is possible through the Despenser takeover of Newport??. <br /><br />Unfortunately I could not work out how to add a tag, so I appear as anonymous just like quite a few characters in history. I would like to introduce myself as Alan de Hedley of Northumberland. Keep up the great work. Alan Hedleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16492843101953091611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-22306441669030066472014-01-28T11:29:14.012+00:002014-01-28T11:29:14.012+00:00Don't worry about the e-mail, Kathryn! I'm...Don't worry about the e-mail, Kathryn! I'm too very busy, so I do understand :-) (working on three texts at the same time is not the best idea, I'm afraid :-))Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-67148628378808360772014-01-27T17:25:50.537+00:002014-01-27T17:25:50.537+00:00Thank you, Kasia! ;-) PS Thanks for the email too...Thank you, Kasia! ;-) PS Thanks for the email too, sorry for not replying yet :)<br /><br />Hehe, Gabriele :)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-23982219382027901282014-01-27T17:22:50.904+00:002014-01-27T17:22:50.904+00:00So women held castles for the king? Geez, and I th...So women held castles for the king? Geez, and I thought they existed only to produce alliances and heirs and keep the kitchen clean. /irony offGabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-41152694692403722522014-01-27T06:27:00.264+00:002014-01-27T06:27:00.264+00:00Kathryn, I absolutely agree with Sami. To collect ...Kathryn, I absolutely agree with Sami. To collect all these facts and names together in a single text and make it all comrehensible for the reader is quite a feat! It REALLY means you should write a book on Edward and his times :-)Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-15856397392123621962014-01-23T06:16:49.192+00:002014-01-23T06:16:49.192+00:00Thanks, MRats! :) Roger Bigod, the same one, marr...Thanks, MRats! :) Roger Bigod, the same one, married secondly Alicia d'Avesnes, whose brother Count William III of Hainault was the father of Edward III's queen Philippa of Hainault. Roger had no children with her either, and died in 1306. Alicia lived till 1317. And yes, Alicia was one of the people summoned to Dover to greet Edward and Isabella: edwardthesecond.blogspot.com/2009/02/edward-iis-return-to-england-february.html<br /><br />I've written a post about Isabella Vescy and various other women, including Alicia d'Avesnes, here: edwardthesecond.blogspot.com/2007/11/obscure-noblewomen-of-edward-iis-era.htmlKathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-3323613414785180902014-01-23T02:01:52.554+00:002014-01-23T02:01:52.554+00:00Now you have muses in stereo--Sami in one ear and ...Now you have muses in stereo--Sami in one ear and I in the other. I hope you will be inspired to write!<br /><br />Also, I have a question. I'll give you a moment to recover from your surprise. <br /><br />Ready? Did Roger Bigod remarry after the death of Aline Basset? I've read (though not in the most reliable of sources) that Piers summoned Bigod's wife to attend Isabella on her arrival at Dover in 1308. Or is that yet another instance of Roger begot Roger begot Roger, and not the Bigod in question at all?<br /><br />Also, Isabella de Vescy was certainly fascinating. I didn't see a post about her on the sidebar and I haven't run across one searching through the archives. Have you considered writing one? <br /><br /><br />\ /<br />. .<br />>.<<br /><br /><br />Fantastic, informative post, Kathryn!MRatsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-22026247816592814462014-01-22T17:40:32.534+00:002014-01-22T17:40:32.534+00:00Thanks, Anerje and Sarah! Hope you enjoyed the po...Thanks, Anerje and Sarah! Hope you enjoyed the post!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-49502134699744932362014-01-22T16:01:04.623+00:002014-01-22T16:01:04.623+00:00Glad to learn more about Aline. Thanks!Glad to learn more about Aline. Thanks!sarah chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12420367186796307675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-66236423423401535532014-01-21T19:16:46.449+00:002014-01-21T19:16:46.449+00:00This is a welcome treat for a Tuesday! Will print...This is a welcome treat for a Tuesday! Will print it off and read it as I unwind with a cup of tea - thanks!Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-33279285322683365182014-01-21T15:41:47.986+00:002014-01-21T15:41:47.986+00:00Thanks, Elizabeth! Very good point!Thanks, Elizabeth! Very good point!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-7032282409068179332014-01-21T15:39:46.350+00:002014-01-21T15:39:46.350+00:00These men and women that only occasionally peak ou...These men and women that only occasionally peak out at us, I find, make history all the more interesting. We sometimes forget about the many others who were a part of the court and like Aline stayed relevant through three reigns. Even though that remain somewhat shadowy, their recorded event also help flesh out this Medieval time period. I look forward to reading about her sister!Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06863958329151143572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-73767336110002824632014-01-21T14:55:15.648+00:002014-01-21T14:55:15.648+00:00Thank you so much for that lovely comment, Sami xThank you so much for that lovely comment, Sami xKathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-87710510446036005932014-01-21T14:47:10.510+00:002014-01-21T14:47:10.510+00:00Staggering!
I will openly admire your capability ...Staggering!<br /><br />I will openly admire your capability and stamina to go trough so much of the original texts and produce these mind staggering texts. <br /><br />I really do hope that a scolar and specialist of your calibre would one day have the time and finances to produce the ultimate book of Edward II and his times, because...<br /><br />Well, words fail me here. A text after text you provide us a deep historically based caleidoscope of the time, place and the people which I simply admire in awe.<br /><br />Thank you.Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.com