tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post3926018983600639250..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Edward II And Isabella Of France's Children: Rough Dates Of Conception, And The Couple's ItinerariesKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-38386918427832345212019-04-22T03:31:24.149+01:002019-04-22T03:31:24.149+01:00The Gael,
I believe you are thinking of the broth...The Gael,<br /><br />I believe you are thinking of the brother of Louis XIII. He wore a dress during Trench warfare and it was best not to comment on it. Again the sword.<br /><br />I may be repeating my comment because I am not sure my first one went through. Thank you.<br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06173426269424594019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-79361664497444786582019-04-22T03:28:22.173+01:002019-04-22T03:28:22.173+01:00@ Anonymous
@ Kathryn Warner
@ Sonetka
Thomas C...@ Anonymous <br />@ Kathryn Warner <br />@ Sonetka<br /><br />Thomas Costain, in his Platanget series, said one of the reasons for Edward II deposition was "excessive sodomy".<br />To me, when the word excessive indicates a certain amount of sodomy was acceptable. Edward fathered enough kids, not everyone was like his father.<br /><br />His effeminate appearance is a much later fiction. The same with Gaveston. Both were physically strong and respected knights.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06173426269424594019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-28231109228891567532019-04-22T03:17:53.649+01:002019-04-22T03:17:53.649+01:00@ The Gael,
I think the one you are thinking of w...@ The Gael,<br /><br />I think the one you are thinking of was the brother of Louis XIII. He would wear a dress in the Trenches. They did not make fun of his attire because of the Sword.<br />Tom Dundeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-4423362489620617722019-02-23T02:20:13.842+00:002019-02-23T02:20:13.842+00:00Wasn't Phillipe more of a "Corporal Kling...Wasn't Phillipe more of a "Corporal Klinger" just like to dress up in women's clothes?<br /><br />I would say his ability with his sword precluded anyone from questioning the paternity of his children or his choice in clothes.The Gaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00329094450964943111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-41308120339891217282019-02-23T02:20:11.677+00:002019-02-23T02:20:11.677+00:00Wasn't Phillipe more of a "Corporal Kling...Wasn't Phillipe more of a "Corporal Klinger" just like to dress up in women's clothes?<br /><br />I would say his ability with his sword precluded anyone from questioning the paternity of his children or his choice in clothes.The Gaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00329094450964943111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-12469495621356645992019-02-21T18:46:07.882+00:002019-02-21T18:46:07.882+00:00Very illuminating post, thank you. I do get frustr...Very illuminating post, thank you. I do get frustrated with continual attempts to overlay current mentalities onto those of people who've been dead for hundreds of years. A lot of it's about the surrounding storyline -- I've never seen anyone try to insinuate that Louis XIV's brother's children weren't his, even though his brother seems to have been exclusively interested in men and he slept with his wives because there was no other way to heirs. But there's no potential dramatic storyline around Philippe's children not being his, so nobody bothers. (Just to be clear, I am not saying that I believe his children were actually fathered by someone else, just that if "Loves men = not the father" were actually the case, he'd be way ahead of Edward II). Sonetkahttp://anneboleynnovels.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-57420640453127597372018-01-17T13:41:32.611+00:002018-01-17T13:41:32.611+00:00It is almost hilarious and yes, very annoying, whe...It is almost hilarious and yes, very annoying, when people just can not twist their head around on this one. Fiction, invented homophobic baloney fits better to the imagined Hollywood-fantasy medieval England, than the facts.<br /><br />Fist of all: gay men have had children even in our times in normal way. Yes, it may be not easy for them but I know at least two who have done it. So even the claim that gay men can not have children is garbage.<br /><br />Secondly: Edward was most likely what we today call bi-sexual. He loved Piers, yes, but he also loved Isabella and showed it too. Yes, their relationship turned sour later on but for many years they were very loving couple specially by the medieval royal standards, when many marriages were just for political reasons alone.<br /><br />Thirdly: Facts are facts. The very fact that not a single medieval writer has ever recorded anyone even implying that their children were not theirs. Not one. That should make it very clear. They were together at the right times, they loved each other quite openly and warmly for a royal couple in those days, so...<br /><br />Most importantly: Isabella was not a jenny from the hood. She was not a simple country girl nor she was a harlot. She was not a page three glamour model nor she was a vamp or a gold digger. She was a royal born queen. She was almost a divine person, untouchable and high above any commoner, and she had been raised to live like a royal. She was married to a king who was anointed by God trough the highest churchmen of the day. As a queen in those days she knew who she was and what she was. She knew she was one of the Gods chosen ones. <br /><br />To imagine that she would have fallen for a commoner, or even a knight in his shining armor, is a laughable notion. Even if she had had the urge to do so she knew that she was living under the gaze of the God every second of her life and if she would have had sex with anyone else than her husband, the anointed king, she would have been going straight to Hell. Not to mention the letters she wrote to him even after the disaster.<br /><br />The wording of those letters, the words she calls her husband even after their separation and Edwards fall, are not words written by a woman who is having the romance of her life with someone else. She still wrote to him with tenderness and affection. She still loved him even though it was hopeless. That should tell something to all these bozos who doubt their relationship. It should also fill any need for a romantic aspects in this story: a woman who loves her husband to the very end despite of it all. Now that is real romantic story.<br /><br />Also, Isabella was not a damsel in distress. She was not a willowy hapless woman lost in the storm winds of her life, looking for a real man to have sex with. She had a strong will, she was capable to stand up against her husband the king. No matter how big of a ladies man you think you were, she was one of those women whom you would not have been able to charm out of her nighties. <br /><br />And finally there is his son. Had she had an affair with a man Edward III believed had killed his father, she would have had quite a different life after her son took the crown into his own hands. Edward III was not a man who would have had his mother to live in peace rest of her life. He would have hoisted her into some form of prison, real or not, he would have punished her for sure. But he did not.<br /><br />So: Edward III did not think he was a bastard himself nor did she nor anyone else in medieval times or much later, up until 20th century, and Edward II and Isabella were together at the right times and loved each other very much. What more these numb nuts need??sami parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-61116956473423321272018-01-16T05:45:45.473+00:002018-01-16T05:45:45.473+00:00Not a word, which is one of the reasons why I thin...Not a word, which is one of the reasons why I think her supposed adultery and great love affair with Mortimer has been massively exaggerated by later writers.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-44602831701666333372018-01-15T18:59:25.859+00:002018-01-15T18:59:25.859+00:00Great post as always. Curious about one thing ......Great post as always. Curious about one thing ... did the French ever mention any of the scandals surrounding Isabella when Edward started claiming the French crown?<br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com