tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post3982850443254190327..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Constanza of Castile, Queen of Castile and Leon, Duchess of Lancaster (1)Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-36204418488576007502016-06-19T20:00:19.958+01:002016-06-19T20:00:19.958+01:00Perhaps my memory fails me, but I had thought that...Perhaps my memory fails me, but I had thought that it was Constanza's daughter Catalina of Lancaster who was described as something like 'tall, blond and mannish'? I also seem to recall reading that Catalina was determined to avoid making the 'looking English' (i.e., assimilated into England and English culture) as her mother had done. Ana Eehevarria (sp?) has a bio of Catalina out there and I think may have studied under Anthony Goodman? (let's see how much FAIL I can get in a single response!)Judyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04656031407072054347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-76965536708745820692016-03-21T07:53:49.873+00:002016-03-21T07:53:49.873+00:00Thank you Stephen. Your statements are accurate. T...Thank you Stephen. Your statements are accurate. The historical evidence, such as it is, can be used to support the idea that Richard of Conisborough was not the son of Edmund of Langley. The recent DNA evidence, even though (and I agree with you) that is inconclusive, can be used to buttress the argument.<br />There is no question about the descent of Richard of York from Lionel of Antwerp through the Mortimer line and of course this was the claim he made at the time; no claim was ever made about the priority of Edmund of Langley.<br />Bryan Dunleavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550652628913169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-71836039278773541392016-02-22T21:02:02.879+00:002016-02-22T21:02:02.879+00:00This is fascinating.
By the way, Bryan, the Y-chr...This is fascinating.<br /><br />By the way, Bryan, the Y-chromosome evidence does not show a break between Edward III and Richard III, it shows either:<br />1) A break between Edward III and Richard III over four generations or<br />2) A break between Edward III and a (Georgian) Duke of Beaufort over eighteen generations.<br />Given that any one father-son connection is equally likely to be broken, unless there is some evidence to the contrary, the probability is 2/11 in the first case and 9/11 in the latter. Indeed, one of the living Somersets tested is not actually descended from the 5th Duke.<br />http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/141202/ncomms6631/full/ncomms6631.html<br />https://murreyandblue.wordpress.com/?s=From+the+horse%27s+mouth<br />In any case, Richard Duke of York was Edward III's great-great-great-grandson via Lionel of Antwerp, the senior line beyond 1400.<br /> Super Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14448524568325546537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-73904190919397563442016-02-14T13:46:36.781+00:002016-02-14T13:46:36.781+00:00More on the appearance of Pedro's family comin...More on the appearance of Pedro's family coming in the next part of the post ;) I hope fairly soon. I really do wonder if Richard of Conisbrough was the son of John Holland.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-14704910238788995572016-02-13T08:57:48.307+00:002016-02-13T08:57:48.307+00:00Thank you Kathryn for the whole post and the valua...Thank you Kathryn for the whole post and the valuable snippet about the physical height of Pedro the Cruel. This is of particular interest to me as I spent the previous two years researching the Southampton plot of 1415, led by one of his grandsons, Richard, earl of Cambridge (1385-1415). His decapitated body was dug up in 1861 while the chapel in Southampton was being renovated; it was not measured before being reinterred but was described by a local historian as "gigantic." The stained glass image of him in Canterbury shows a big-boned face, which might also support the idea that he was tall. His son, Richard, duke of York, was under 6' but his grandson, Edward IV, was measured at 6'4". <br />One would have assumed that the "tallness" gene was carried through the Plantagenet line (Edward Longshanks and Edward II) except that Edmund of Langley may not have been the father of Richard of Conisborough. Isabel of Castille was a spirited lass who, after, bearing a son and a daughter, seems to have set on a course of pleasing herself and developing a certain reputation. Richard, born 10 years after the other two, was the product of one of these affairs. If a later source is to be believed, Chaucer's "Compleynte of Mars" is based on an affair between Isabella and John Holand, half brother to Richard II.<br />Was Richard of Conisborough the product of this liaison? We don't know, but we do know now that Richard III's DNA shows a paternity break between him and Edward III.<br />So perhaps the historical evidence and the scientific evidence is coming together, and if we accept this, then there is a huge irony in that Richard of York, who was the first person to use the surname "Plantagenet" was not a Plantagenet after all!Bryan Dunleavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550652628913169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-65575691412781358302016-02-10T11:29:09.524+00:002016-02-10T11:29:09.524+00:00I thought Ed I was bad enough pulling out Ed II...I thought Ed I was bad enough pulling out Ed II's hair!<br /><br />JoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-67856760581065309062016-02-09T17:38:59.541+00:002016-02-09T17:38:59.541+00:00And everybody is so annoyed bout Ivan the Terrible...And everybody is so annoyed bout Ivan the Terriblesami parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-77264518861862787052016-02-09T13:43:16.632+00:002016-02-09T13:43:16.632+00:00Thanks, Jo! Yes, definitely! Apparently Sancho IV ...Thanks, Jo! Yes, definitely! Apparently Sancho IV of Castile (d. 1295, Edward II's first cousin) beat dissident nobles to death with his own hands. :oKathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20842696237932803102016-02-09T11:36:24.958+00:002016-02-09T11:36:24.958+00:00What a fascinating post! I didn't know anythin...What a fascinating post! I didn't know anything about the Spanish court. Jaw-droppingly cruel and violent weren't they? Even by 14th century standards.<br /><br />Jo Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-6591796566466058372016-02-08T14:33:49.048+00:002016-02-08T14:33:49.048+00:00Thanks, everyone! Esther, no, there are no books a...Thanks, everyone! Esther, no, there are no books about her - the poor lady has been so ignored :/ She's mentioned several times in Ian Mortimer's Fears of Henry IV (her stepson).Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-35221183475109866042016-02-08T14:31:46.976+00:002016-02-08T14:31:46.976+00:00I'd love to learn more about Constanza -- know...I'd love to learn more about Constanza -- know of any books about her? Thanks for posting this much information.<br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-35365619121115701312016-02-07T19:19:48.247+00:002016-02-07T19:19:48.247+00:00Super post. Poor Constanza does not get the good...Super post. Poor Constanza does not get the good press of that other Spanish lady, Katherine of Aragon. Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-68007361754090566512016-02-07T18:18:40.777+00:002016-02-07T18:18:40.777+00:00Astonishing amount of information once again. I ca...Astonishing amount of information once again. I can only wonder the depth and detail of this amount of information. Thank you very much again.sami parkkonennoreply@blogger.com