tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post4404120351590497553..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Was Edward II planning to execute Roger Mortimer in 1323?Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-22287185853154306462016-02-13T20:31:16.733+00:002016-02-13T20:31:16.733+00:00sedatives = opiates?
sedatives = opiates?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14982846180042802227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-64627609863767457692013-02-23T15:26:46.756+00:002013-02-23T15:26:46.756+00:00Sami, a lifetime prison sentence doesn't sound...Sami, a lifetime prison sentence doesn't sound fun at all (not even for a nobleman in the Tower likely living under decent conditions) so he might have planned an escape anyway. And once out, the next logical step was to try to get his lands back. Ed got a bit in the way of that one. ;-) The full out rebellion may have been some time in entering his mind.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-37975810934161452182013-02-23T15:21:59.385+00:002013-02-23T15:21:59.385+00:00Kathryn Warner said...
"And of course having...Kathryn Warner said... <br />"And of course having hot sex with him with the aid of her magic invisibility hood :D"<br /><br />Ah, that's explains the route of his escape, too. Per train to Hogwarts and then on a Nimbus 3000 to France. :)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-90461807929492429192013-02-21T07:14:29.229+00:002013-02-21T07:14:29.229+00:00Well, I think it is simply wise to try to escape u...Well, I think it is simply wise to try to escape under the situation, regardless of any intentions to execute him. He must have known that he COULD be executed at any time if the king decides so, so Mortimer escaped. Was Edward II planning his execution, it really does not matter I my eyes. He could order it at any gioen time and that was propably enough for Roger Mortimer.Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-43827592880647912142013-02-15T07:26:59.948+00:002013-02-15T07:26:59.948+00:00Thanks, Esther! I'm not entirely sure how it ...Thanks, Esther! I'm not entirely sure how it would have worked legally, but given that Edward had commuted the death sentence it seems highly unlikely that he could have changed his mind and subsequently had Mortimer executed without further legal process, for which there's no evidence at all.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-87992806018514147502013-02-15T02:51:27.798+00:002013-02-15T02:51:27.798+00:00Great article ... and it is interesting why Edward...Great article ... and it is interesting why Edward commuted the sentence (I'm sure certain fiction writers have Isabella securing that favor). Was there anything that could stop Edward from changing his mind and have Roger executed anyway? <br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-43745113906345448432013-02-14T18:40:20.561+00:002013-02-14T18:40:20.561+00:00Carla, the chroniclers who do mention the executio...Carla, the chroniclers who do mention the execution connect it quite strongly with his escape, but that's a really interesting point that hadn't occurred to me, that maybe they got it confused with the sentence of the year before or with the 'dead or alive' order - thank you! I wish I knew what the sedatives were. It seems that a group of Londoners was helping Mortimer and must have smuggled them in somehow.<br /><br />Hi Kasia, and thank you! :) Ah, I didn't know that about Henry's miracles! Fascinating. When Edward II's cousin Thomas, earl of Lancaster was executed in 1322, miracles of his doing were also reported.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-28780530739797720962013-02-14T18:30:45.426+00:002013-02-14T18:30:45.426+00:00Hi, Kathryn! A fascinating post, yet again :-) The...Hi, Kathryn! A fascinating post, yet again :-) The account of Roger's escape in Flores reminds me of a similar episode in Henry the Young King's afterlife. The miracles that began to occur when his body was being carried from Martel to Rouen and were said to be Hanry's doing (:-)) all resembled the miracles performed by Christ and described in the New Testament.Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-9378445103003086332013-02-14T18:30:44.243+00:002013-02-14T18:30:44.243+00:00Is it possible that the chroniclers who mention an...Is it possible that the chroniclers who mention an impending execution were thinking of the court sentence you mention from 14 July 1322? That court had sentenced Roger Mortimer to death, and it might be easy for the details to get muddled up. Or possibly there could have been confusion over the order to recapture Mortimer 'dead or alive'; could that have been the source for an assumption that Mortimer was facing execution?<br /><br />One thing that intrigues me is where Roger Mortimer got the sedatives from. Is that known? Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-18245655331641988242013-02-13T18:45:04.644+00:002013-02-13T18:45:04.644+00:00Awww, thank you, Sami! :)Awww, thank you, Sami! :)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-71127521479191626462013-02-13T18:43:21.297+00:002013-02-13T18:43:21.297+00:00I am impressed indeed K. You are wonder woman of h...I am impressed indeed K. You are wonder woman of history.Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-61671857821394072312013-02-13T16:14:26.469+00:002013-02-13T16:14:26.469+00:00Jules, I'd also dearly love to know what was g...Jules, I'd also dearly love to know what was going on in Edward's mind when he commuted the Mortimers' death sentence, and how Hugh felt about it. Did he remember that Roger had been a faithful ally once? A very puzzling decision.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-75581269563071117732013-02-13T16:10:05.233+00:002013-02-13T16:10:05.233+00:00I think it is also puzzling why Edward commuted th...I think it is also puzzling why Edward commuted the death sentence to life imprisonment when Mortimer was so high-placed in the rebellion. Other lords were executed without a blink of the royal eye. If anything, with the bloodfeiud still running between Despenser and Mortimer and with Despenser so say having the king's ear, it would be a plausible speculation that Despenser may indeed have argued for the sentence to be carried out (and the lands probably redistributed to him and his father, as with so many of the rebels).<br /><br />So, Edward, for some reason of his own decided to keep the Mortimers alive when there was every reason to want them dead. And then, if it was decided in 1323 to carry out the execution, which, as you rightly say, there is no evidence for, what could have triggered it? That missing page of the Vita is one of the biggest teases in the story of Edward's reign. Bah!Jules Frusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207281934232383811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-84127122824546593822013-02-13T15:26:09.714+00:002013-02-13T15:26:09.714+00:00And of course having hot sex with him with the aid...And of course having hot sex with him with the aid of her magic invisibility hood :DKathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-19174265345997815712013-02-13T15:24:31.883+00:002013-02-13T15:24:31.883+00:00It certainly does beg the question 'what if?&#...It certainly does beg the question 'what if?' But then if we question the nature of Mortimer and Isabella's relationship, there may well have been someone else who would help her depose her husband. And of course, certain novelists have Isabella in the Tower aiding Mortimer!Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.com