tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post5347104879864834219..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: A Rebellion In Bristol (2)Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-5410308697865116692014-04-29T06:23:44.661+01:002014-04-29T06:23:44.661+01:00Thank you! No, I haven't seen that one - thank...Thank you! No, I haven't seen that one - thanks for the tip! I'll heck it out.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-28214498071619002292014-04-29T06:16:40.389+01:002014-04-29T06:16:40.389+01:00Nice exploration of the rebellion! Have you read S...Nice exploration of the rebellion! Have you read Samuel Cohn Jr's book on Popular Protest in English towns? He discusses this rebellion in some detail and concludes that it was a fairly important event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-55167147983633635862010-02-27T08:43:52.903+00:002010-02-27T08:43:52.903+00:00Brad, I also wonder if Edward resented the Marcher...Brad, I also wonder if Edward resented the Marcher lords' power. After all, the privileges they held became anachronistic and basically unjustifiable once Edward I conquered Wales in 1282/83 and they no longer had to defend the border, and therefore had no more responsibilities than English lords. (Historian T.F. Tout a few decades ago called their privileges "a dangerous anachronism.") Although Edward II went about it in a really cack-handed fashion, I wonder if he had in mind some plan to limit the powers of the Marcher lords.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-36886759730584756632010-02-26T21:50:07.690+00:002010-02-26T21:50:07.690+00:00Part 2 was just as good as the first.
It'...Part 2 was just as good as the first. <br /><br />It's interesting how well things went when Edward II and the Marcher lords (Hereford, Mortimer, Charlton, et al) worked together. Then the Despensers came along and ruined everything. I really wonder why Edward let them get so out of hand. Maybe he always resented the power that the Marcher lords held.<br /><br />Badlesmere's only son and heir would marry William Montacute's granddaughter, though that was a good fifteen years later.<br /><br />Sounds like the Bristol city officials had some legitimate grievances, but of course were at the mercy of the factional politics that polarized Edward's reign. <br /><br />Badlesmere was nothing without a strong ally: Clifford, Gloucester, Pembroke, Edward. He seems more and more Polonius-like the more facts emerge about him.Brad Verityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12625952433525136026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20844710475369896522010-02-18T08:49:16.261+00:002010-02-18T08:49:16.261+00:00Hehe, good point, Carla. :-)Hehe, good point, Carla. :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-83908608199526596292010-02-17T17:11:35.328+00:002010-02-17T17:11:35.328+00:00Badlesmere sounds like am example of Parkinson'...Badlesmere sounds like am example of Parkinson's Law about promotion to the level of incompetence :-)<br /><br />Nice to know that it all turned out more or less all right in the end.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-59297361380772725242010-02-16T09:09:08.226+00:002010-02-16T09:09:08.226+00:00Gabriele: yes, the best way to overcome Ed's a...Gabriele: yes, the best way to overcome Ed's annoyance with you was to wait until your enemy fell out of his favour (which was bound to happen eventually) then wait till he welcomed you back with open arms! :-)<br /><br />Clement: *grin* Thanks, glad you liked the post!<br /><br />Kate: this whole situation is a good example of the frequent side-switching of Ed's reign, isn't it?<br /><br />Monsire le roi, yes indeed, punishing Badlesmere may have made things worse, as his influential brother-in-law Lord Clifford was already opposed to the king and Piers Gaveston in 1312.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-57837793215285303342010-02-16T04:46:11.028+00:002010-02-16T04:46:11.028+00:00Huh. Methinks that Lord Badlesmere fellow ought to...Huh. Methinks that Lord Badlesmere fellow ought to have been given a swift kick when he first refused to quit the castle. Though I am sure that would have only created a different and equally annoying problem for our dear brother.<br /><br />Ha! Dear Lady Kate, kings have no friends; only temporary allies of political convenience. ;) <br /><br />One drains a moat the same way one fills it: dig the ditch, brace it or line it with stone, and let nature take its course to drag the water into it. The pull of the earth does the work in drawing underground water from the soil and into the new moat. It works the same way for draining. Dig ditches around the moat, deeper than the moat, and the water will be sucked right out, by its nature of always seeking the lowest ground. Of course, if the moat is fed by a live stream, you shall have to cut that off, too, or divert it, lest it will simply fill the void your ditches make as quickly as it arises.Louis Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05104477464448107772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-51849782977802187312010-02-15T20:54:51.018+00:002010-02-15T20:54:51.018+00:00Great stuff. Weird how people are your friends on...Great stuff. Weird how people are your friends one minute and your enemy the next. How did Edward know whom to trust?! The Bristol situation could have been much worse, but what I want to know is how the heck the town drained the ditch? Bucket line?Kate Plantagenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15241511561334259406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-43227354799630788462010-02-15T18:51:24.993+00:002010-02-15T18:51:24.993+00:00I wonder how much Clement Turtle had to 'shell...I wonder how much Clement Turtle had to 'shell-out' for his fine?<br /><br />Sorry! Great post!Clement Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14116966238223089211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-1741838316745231392010-02-15T17:37:21.045+00:002010-02-15T17:37:21.045+00:00Heh, the case of those three men could have the ti...Heh, the case of those three men could have the title How To Survive During Edward's Reign. Wait until you enemy falls onto the wrong side of the king. ;)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.com