tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post6087974078079387622..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: December 1312/October 1313: Edward II Makes Peace With Piers Gaveston's KillersKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-5258354659281530482015-02-06T19:08:56.978+00:002015-02-06T19:08:56.978+00:00Great article ... although I somewhat wonder what ...Great article ... although I somewhat wonder what Gilbert could have done to prevent Piers being killed at the beginning. Also -- did he really say that the killers of Piers were acting in Edward's interests, or are those words put into his mouth later?<br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-6476257687926157922015-02-06T13:34:11.794+00:002015-02-06T13:34:11.794+00:00I agree with Anerje. It's always upset me tha...I agree with Anerje. It's always upset me that Gilbert of Gloucester did not try to save Piers. I've often wondered if perhaps Gilbert didn't believe Guy of Warwick would have the nerve to actually murder Piers, and only thought that Piers would be "enjoying" the Black Dog's hospitality for a time. If Piers ever called Gilbert a "whoreson", I don't think it was intended as a nickname that would defame Joan of Acre, but rather due to Gilbert's weak support. When the conflict arose at the beginning of Edward's reign, Gilbert declared (no pun intended) himself neutral. <br /><br />As for saying that Piers' murderers were Edward's friends, acting in his best interest, I strongly suspect that the author of the Vita was editorializing again. However, I do believe that Gilbert was a go-between, and he may have said something less absurd to that effect in hope of excusing the fact that, whether deliberately or not, he let his own brother-in-law die.<br /><br />Another splendid post, Kathryn!MRatsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-26039085737882951212015-02-05T16:32:39.639+00:002015-02-05T16:32:39.639+00:00Both this post, and the recent one about Piers Gav...Both this post, and the recent one about Piers Gaveston's funeral raise interesting questions about Edward's relationship with the earl of Hereford. How friendly was the relationship between the two of them? Did the countess of Hereford, one of Edward's sisters, mediate between them. I believe Hereford was ransomed fairly quickly after his capture at Bannockburn, because of pleading by his countess. Did relations between Edward and Hereford cool after her death?<br /><br />He seems to be a bit of an enigma, there but not really prominent in anything. He was never one of Edward's favourites, but he does not appear to have been a Pembroke-style intermediary or a Lancaster-style out and out opponent of Edward either. How close was he to Edward in terms of witnessing charters or being rewarded with matters like wardships? Even from reading accounts of the contrariant rebellion, I feel he was more led than leader. I wonder what his fate would have been had he not been killed at Boroughbridge?<br /><br />Great post again Kathryn. Very enlightening.Jerry Bennettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-91076927388660603262015-02-05T08:13:17.908+00:002015-02-05T08:13:17.908+00:00I think Eddie wwas never going to let this thing g...I think Eddie wwas never going to let this thing go away, that in his heart of hearts he knew one day he do something about it. But on the same note, I think Lancaster knew this also and was going to do something to Eddie one day. And that lead to the 1321-22.Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-39410656161632104882015-02-01T19:36:42.691+00:002015-02-01T19:36:42.691+00:00How galling for Edward to have to 'pardon'...How galling for Edward to have to 'pardon' the murderers of Piers - even if he didn't intend to stick to the agreement - who could blame him? And surely Gloucester must have realised his excuse for Lancaster and co was utter rubbish. I'm really angry with Gloucester - that he did nothing to help Piers.Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-69415306799708440882015-02-01T17:36:19.240+00:002015-02-01T17:36:19.240+00:00I'm researching the role of negotiators and th...I'm researching the role of negotiators and the public display of deditiones and reconciliation for Mediaeval Germany*, and it's interesting to see that some of these features - including the banquet - can also be found in England. Though the earls got away lightly; some German kings had rebellious nobles wear penitent's robes and walk barefoot to their submission. :-) But I doubt Edward had that sort of power (like Otto the Great or Friedrich Barbarossa). <br /><br />* There are several interesting essays by Gerd Althoff, among others.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.com