tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post6543170011402040465..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Margaret Gatesden, John Camoys and William PaynelKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-59520704352579330662021-04-09T07:04:01.209+01:002021-04-09T07:04:01.209+01:00Hello! :) They appear to have had a good father-so...Hello! :) They appear to have had a good father-son relationship when Edward of Caernarfon was a child and the king bought him toy castles, toy swords etc to play with. It's very difficult to get much sense of their personal relationship from the sources we have (which is true of pretty well any personal relationship in the 14c), but it appears that cracks started to appear when Edward the son got older and his father perhaps came to realise that he wasn't all he wanted and needed in a successor. Eleanor of Castile kept in touch with Edward via letter, sent him gifts, appointed people to his household, etc, though as she spent over three years of his childhood outside England and died when he was only six, he can't have known her that well. He marked the anniversary of her death every year. I'd dearly love to know how much he knew about her early life in Spain!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-56849528415567279432021-04-08T20:37:09.217+01:002021-04-08T20:37:09.217+01:00Hi Kathryn I know this is irrelevant to this post ...Hi Kathryn I know this is irrelevant to this post but I’ve been trying to research this on google but to no avail. I was wondering if Edward ii shared any fond times with his father or was their relationship all bad? The same thing with his mother too if you know anything about it. Thanks already appreciate your reply in advance.anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14521960921932162206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-16824801332132422502021-04-06T17:27:13.231+01:002021-04-06T17:27:13.231+01:00Esther, no, I didn't receive your comment befo...Esther, no, I didn't receive your comment before, unfortunately! And yes, I hope John found someone he loved too. <3<br /><br />I'm not sure how the law worked in this instance, but as Edward I's lawyer Nicholas of Warwick "sued on behalf of the lord king, [and] said at that time that the aforesaid Margaret was not entitled to have her dower from this, nor ought she to be heard or admitted to claim any dower", it seems that Margaret's dower should have remained in the king's hands.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-79025589319532178502021-04-06T16:43:27.483+01:002021-04-06T16:43:27.483+01:00Not sure if this is duplicative (I think my prior ...Not sure if this is duplicative (I think my prior post didn't go through), but ... the husband sounds like a remarkable guy ... I hope he found someone with whom he could be happy. Also, why was the king concerned with Margaret's dower? Would the crown get it if she were "disqualified"?<br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-62624753538571564292021-04-06T08:54:16.047+01:002021-04-06T08:54:16.047+01:00Sami: absolutely!
Chris: the multiple and inconsi...Sami: absolutely!<br /><br />Chris: the multiple and inconsistent spellings of names can drive you up the wall. :D As one example off the top of my head, Nicholas Dauney or Daunay was often called d'Aulnee, and the name also often appears in the Latin form, de Alneto. I was recently looking at an entry in the coroners' rolls from 1322 which spells Grimsby in four different ways in about three sentences. :-D Another fun thing to conjure with is that 14th-century documents often don't use punctuation.<br /><br />I came across Margaret via her son Ralph's connection to the Despensers, and was astonished to see her and William Paynel's story! I absolutely love to check out different sources and pull all the strands together to create (or try to, haha) a coherent narrative. And yes, I often fall down the rabbit hole! Another example was Margaret Hydon (d. 1357), whom I wrote about a few months ago; she was married three times and lived to be about 80. I also found her via her third husband's connection to the Despensers.<br /><br />Thank you for the kind words, and so glad you like my posts! I didn't know you were an organic chemist, so that's great to find out :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-5479057581409751102021-04-06T05:46:33.398+01:002021-04-06T05:46:33.398+01:00Wonderful story of genuine love in medieval times....Wonderful story of genuine love in medieval times.sami parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-80842079891297054712021-04-06T05:26:59.486+01:002021-04-06T05:26:59.486+01:00Hi Kathryn -
As one barely fluent in my native la...Hi Kathryn -<br /><br />As one barely fluent in my native language, how do you keep track of the multiple surnames in your research? (Example: Margaret Gatesden (or Gatesdene or Gattisden, etc)). Yes, phonetic spelling rather than actual spelling was the given method, but it must make your research far more difficult. I've gritted my teeth when I've seen others write my surname as, "Kline", "Cline", "Clein". And it's 2021.<br /><br />How are you able to reconcile the names? Are they consistent among the various chroniclers/writers of the time? <br /><br />As an organic chemist, I appreciate the fact I share a language with others that I am not able to converse with linguistically. (I once had a great conversation with a Japanese scientist which was completely written on paper, sharing chemical reactions and structures. No words were exchanged.) <br /><br />It feels to me, the research you have to do is far more complicated than that of what I have done as I have the luxury of a common language. That you dragged out this story, these peoples lives, out of a series of fragmented documents and brought them to life, is really amazing to me.<br /><br />Have you done a post where you walk the reader through the process you have to undertake to tell the story? I have read several of your books, I'm a fan, and I see all the cites and appendices, but I don't necessarily follow them. (If they discussed the concentration of boron nitride/aluminum oxide in thermally-conductive thermosetting compounds in end winding series loop connections in large hydrogen-cooled turbo generators, then I would, LOL!) <br /><br />I guess my question is, you are prolific in this subject, and you present it very well, so how do you go about researching a post such as this? In this case, did you find a notation in something you were researching, and it lead you down another rabbit hole?<br /><br />I'm so sorry for potentially hijacking this post, but the subject matter is really interesting and I'm curious as to how it's developed.<br /><br />You bring these people to life, and I'm fascinated with the process behind it. I really enjoy these posts in my e-mail. <br />Chris Kleinnoreply@blogger.com