tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post6801812434714095200..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Was There A Far-Reaching Plot To Deprive Edward II Of His Throne In The 1320s?Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-13658708311723896172014-09-28T14:19:01.748+01:002014-09-28T14:19:01.748+01:00Those conspiracy theories don't involve Templa...Those conspiracy theories don't involve Templars? Seriously guys, put them in or it won't be a good conspiracy theory. :-)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-19409450635461908432014-09-27T12:39:40.382+01:002014-09-27T12:39:40.382+01:00I agree with Anerje's point that ideas can be ...I agree with Anerje's point that ideas can be formed from hindsight. Also, we do seem to live in a time when "conspiracy theories" are popular. I participated (before I learned better) on an internet forum where I stated that I thought the late Princess Diana's fatal accident was just that, a very sad accident. Somebody (easy with aliases and anonymity) posted a very rancid reply that I should prepare to be very alone and people would not like me if I didn't believe the princess was murdered.......That's a little off-topic but I cite it to illustrate that some people prefer the obscure explanation to an event to the more obvious.<br /><br />In a popular fantasy series "Game of Thrones", which is in part inspired by real historical events, one of the characters, nicknamed Littlefinger is playing a "long con". As the series is so popular (and I must own up to watching it myself) some watchers may be seeing "long cons" all over the place. I used to have a friend who, if she read something or saw something on TV about an illness, would fancy herself to be suffering from such ailment.<br /><br />Patricia OAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-72251391622675441462014-09-23T16:23:19.057+01:002014-09-23T16:23:19.057+01:00Thank you again for another fascinating interpreta...Thank you again for another fascinating interpretation of the facts. If I understand correctly, the road to Edward II’s deposition really started with Prince Edward's arrival in France (but it was road more than a conspiracy at first). Would that be a fair summary?<br /><br />Actually, I wondered if Isabella had judged that her husband lacked the skill to keep his throne, and that the best way to make sure her son was the next king was to force the succession ASAP. Do you think dynastic survival might have been a part of Isabella’s motivation? It might explain how she could depose her husband and still want to be buried with his heart. <br /><br />Also, do you know by when formal contacts between Isabella and Roger Mortimer are known to have started; was it around December 1325 (I seem to remember that date from previous blogs and reading other books)? If the answers to my questions on motivation and timing are both yes, then it might make perfect sense to see Isabella linking up with Roger M at exactly that time, as the (male) ally/hired muscle she needed to plant her son on the throne and control the country during the subsequent minority. It is almost the obvious thing for her to do after getting control of her son, so could the Isabelle-Mortimer physical attraction angle be worth downplaying a bit? It may be a bit fanciful, but I wonder if this explanation makes any sense at all, could Roger Mortimer be not so much England’s greatest traitor as the Plantangents’ greatest pawn? Just a bit of speculatory fun!<br /><br />Best wishes<br /><br />HenryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-43198794217169079422014-09-22T19:48:03.345+01:002014-09-22T19:48:03.345+01:00Lots of interesting points raised here. Fiction w...Lots of interesting points raised here. Fiction writers nearly always include a scene in which Isabella helps Mortimer escape from the Tower - even though she was nowhere near the Tower. And as you say, it's ridiculous that Edward would not have known of a plot to dethrone him that so many others across Europe knew about. The so-called plot would have relied so much on every complicated move being achieved with no problems. It's too fantastical for words. It's all to do with hindsight and what we think we know. And after all that trouble, Edward may have been murdered shortly afterwards - well, why not poison him or arrange an 'accident' in the first place? Just find a scapegoat to take the blame. Edward had enough enemies at home, never mind fleeing abroad.Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-80975543294662775712014-09-21T21:09:00.166+01:002014-09-21T21:09:00.166+01:00Great post! I also wonder if any of the conspirac...Great post! I also wonder if any of the conspiracy theorists have managed to reconcile the fact that the conspiracy would have involved great intelligence and self control, but once they got power, they didn't have enough self control -- or enough intelligence -- to restrain their greed so they could keep popular support.<br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20504351950607703972014-09-21T19:44:24.516+01:002014-09-21T19:44:24.516+01:00Great stuff! What has always intrigued me is this:...Great stuff! What has always intrigued me is this: what do we know of Isabellas relatives around these time, meaning do we know did they have a hand in all of what followed and how much they influenced on Isabella?<br /><br />I could imagine that the royal house of France must have had a heavy hand in the events which followed 1325 and that they supported it. <br /><br />Also, when looking at what Edward III did once he took the throne into his own hands, it seems that he either knew or suspected or at least believed that his mother was not the instigator of the invasion or his own "staying" in France in 1325.Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.com