tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post8528275989476385805..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Titles of Edward IIKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-58295154197992484112013-11-05T18:27:17.984+00:002013-11-05T18:27:17.984+00:00Well, I'm disappointed. Picture the scene! Y...Well, I'm disappointed. Picture the scene! You know how I love to do that. ;-)<br /><br />But please don't feel that you need to update. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to revise the information in future posts!MRatsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-21819867693889343962013-11-05T17:04:51.489+00:002013-11-05T17:04:51.489+00:00Ah, sadly this is an old post and I appear to have...Ah, sadly this is an old post and I appear to have been misled by something :/ No, I'm pretty well certain Edward didn't meet Philip in 1306, though I seem to recall it was planned that he would. I should really update old blog posts when I get new info as it's misleading, though that somehow seems dishonest, so I never do. Hmmmm :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-81844004072052575422013-11-05T16:59:42.188+00:002013-11-05T16:59:42.188+00:00A wonderfully fascinating post, Kathryn! Am I und...A wonderfully fascinating post, Kathryn! Am I understanding correctly?<br /><br />"Edward paid homage for his new duchy to his overlord and future father-in-law, Philip IV, at his own town of Montreuil-sur-Mer that year."<br /><br />1306?!<br /><br />Please rest assured that I searched the list of posts before asking the inevitable questions, just to spare you. But since I didn't find the trip, brace yourself, here they come:<br /><br />Did Philip bring Isabella with him? Was Piers in Edward's entourage? Who else went with Edward? Are there any details of the homage ceremony or the voyages there and back?<br /><br />I'd read that Edward I planned to send the Prince to France for this purpose, but Harold Hutchison wrote in "Edward II", "Neither a promised French royal escort nor official safe conducts arrived by the agreed date. The prince, with his father's full approval, therefore abandoned his journey." Was that another occasion? I hope so. What an obscure fact. You've discovered a rare treasure!<br /><br />Please tell me more when you have the time! :-DMRatsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-66882098950637393902007-04-05T19:26:00.000+01:002007-04-05T19:26:00.000+01:00OK, I think my summer holiday this year or next ye...OK, I think my summer holiday this year or next year is sorted...it's a long time since I visited France, and I'd love to visit the sites of Crecy and Agincourt too.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-58493456185173203822007-04-05T18:47:00.000+01:002007-04-05T18:47:00.000+01:00Well, considering you're a one-woman Edward II Soc...Well, considering you're a one-woman Edward II Society, I should think he ought to be grateful to you :-)<BR/>A few days in Montrueil and Boulogne and the surrounding area is really nice in June. Pretty towns, lots of history (Agincourt is half a day's bike ride in one direction, Crecy a bit further in the other), a steam railway and some nice beaches, although Montrueil isn't sur mer any more. We had a lovely time there.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-88602631447352190762007-04-05T17:35:00.000+01:002007-04-05T17:35:00.000+01:00Oops, my rubbish knowledge of French geography is ...Oops, my rubbish knowledge of French geography is revealed. ;) I thought Montreuil and Boulogne were really far apart! *Blushes* But the idea of wandering around Boulogne (and Montreuil) in the warm sunshine sounds infinitely appealing. And I think you're right, Edward would forgive me for going at the wrong time of year - given how much time I lavish on him on the blog, he should forgive me for everything...;)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-82570379678129066542007-04-05T12:47:00.000+01:002007-04-05T12:47:00.000+01:00Well, Montrueil's only about 30 km from Boulogne s...Well, Montrueil's only about 30 km from Boulogne so it hardly has to be on the way, it's practically next door! Well under an hour to drive, and only a few hours even by bike. January might be a bit dismal, though. Fine if you've got all the pomp of a royal wedding to cheer you up, but a bit grim for the historical pilgrim 700 years later. I'm sure Edward would forgive you if you paid your respects in June instead, when you can walk round Boulogne old city in the sunshine and eat on the terrace at the fish restaurants :-)Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-54400278839140672272007-04-05T08:33:00.000+01:002007-04-05T08:33:00.000+01:00I'd love to visit Boulogne next January, as it's t...I'd love to visit Boulogne next January, as it's the 700th wedding anniversary of Edward and Isabella - they married in Boulogne on 25 Jan 1308. Not sure if Montreuil is really on the way to Boulogne, though! :) And it's a shame Ed and Isa got married at such an awful time of year - would it have killed them to marry in June? I think not.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-27938131667340692812007-04-04T19:35:00.000+01:002007-04-04T19:35:00.000+01:00Montrueil's a lovely town, with the old walls inta...Montrueil's a lovely town, with the old walls intact all the way round making a rather nice rampart walk, and a typically French cobbled square full of pavement cafes. Recommended, if you get the chance to spend a weekend there, maybe on the way somewhere else.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20394805878291575252007-04-04T15:02:00.000+01:002007-04-04T15:02:00.000+01:00Thanks, Susan and Carla! The cycling trip round M...Thanks, Susan and Carla! The cycling trip round Montreuil sounds like great fun - I've never been there, but I'd love to go.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-39293425637450752062007-04-04T10:09:00.000+01:002007-04-04T10:09:00.000+01:00Fascinating post! I noticed a cluster of 'en Pont...Fascinating post! I noticed a cluster of 'en Ponthieu' place names around Montreuil when I was cycling there last summer, but didn't know their significance or the connection with Edward.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-17656556113677685722007-04-01T18:06:00.000+01:002007-04-01T18:06:00.000+01:00Great to have these all listed here!Great to have these all listed here!Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-3210513214912302022007-03-31T06:41:00.000+01:002007-03-31T06:41:00.000+01:00Thanks, Liam! It did strike me as a little odd th...Thanks, Liam! It did strike me as a little odd that Ed I continued to call himself Duke of Aquitaine - force of habit, maybe??<BR/><BR/>Yes, 'Lord of Ireland' was written as 'seigneur Dirlaunde' with a few variations in spelling, as usual. I'm going to post about 'forms of address' soon, so I'll write more about it then. ;)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-54769812727135975842007-03-30T21:17:00.000+01:002007-03-30T21:17:00.000+01:00Fantastic post, really interesting! There are so m...Fantastic post, really interesting! There are so many things I could comment on! Is it odd that Ed I gave his son the dukedom of Aquitaine but continued to style himself as such??<BR/><BR/>And about the 'Lord of Ireland' title - of particular interest to me, obviously ;) - how was it expressed in the language of Ed II's day (old French)? Something like 'seigneur' instead of lord?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03188874002836550379noreply@blogger.com