tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post1036766220855787325..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: A Royal Adultery Scandal In 1314Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-52381474608968423742021-02-16T12:58:18.082+00:002021-02-16T12:58:18.082+00:00Thank you, so glad you enjoyed the post! I'm n...Thank you, so glad you enjoyed the post! I'm not aware of any evidence that Isabella did attend the executions, though if they took place a couple of days after she arrived in Paris, perhaps she did - or perhaps as a woman, she would have been excused? Interesting to contemplate, for sure!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-68693108918820384562021-02-16T11:44:34.110+00:002021-02-16T11:44:34.110+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Antoinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212905443881571698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20753091477241532732021-02-16T11:44:16.479+00:002021-02-16T11:44:16.479+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Antoinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212905443881571698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-54180483274106990032021-02-16T11:42:41.208+00:002021-02-16T11:42:41.208+00:00Excellent post, as always! By the way, do you have...Excellent post, as always! By the way, do you have any information about the execution of the Knights Templar in March 1314? You said Isabella arrived on March 16 in Paris, implying that the execution of Jacques de Molay and Geoffroy de Charnay occurred the night before. However, many sources say it happened either on March 11 or on March 18, the latter being the most cited in France. Therefore, could Isabella have attended the execution of Molay and Charnay along her father and brothers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-24421284754100239132019-11-09T14:01:44.746+00:002019-11-09T14:01:44.746+00:00Maybe other people noticed the affairs but lacked ...Maybe other people noticed the affairs but lacked the status to risk telling the King or the betrayed husbands. Isabella may have been the only one who, because of her own royal position, was unafraid of the repercussions of revealing the truth. She did not have to discover the truth on her own. She may have been told by someone credible who knew about the affair. wanted to use Isabella as a means of revealing the truth. <br /><br />Also, it is interesting that adultery was not grounds for an annulment because it was a transgression that occurred after the marriage was considered valid. Knowledge of this fact may explain why Henry VIII executed rather than "divorced" Anne Boleyn. Henry VIII did not want any doubt thrown on a subsequent marriage because of doubts about how his marriage to Anne Boleyn ended. All royals with adulterous wives would have naturally wanted to annul a marriage to an unfaithful spouse in order to contract another marriage. The Church, however, would not condone such an action. As a result, the royal husband had to wait until the death of his unfaithful spouse in order to remarry. Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-65026776519621990922015-08-04T20:11:29.714+01:002015-08-04T20:11:29.714+01:00Great post, as usual. Curious ... it appears that...Great post, as usual. Curious ... it appears that Isabella supposedly discovers an affair during a three-months visit that no one had noticed before. Is the idea that the affairs were fairly recent? How likely is it that no one else would notice anything? (The idea that no one would notice might explain the absence of evidence concerning Isabella's alleged "affair" with Roger Mortimer)<br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-45575897884153097732015-08-04T04:22:44.531+01:002015-08-04T04:22:44.531+01:00Oh the rich and famous... It seems that sometimes ...Oh the rich and famous... It seems that sometimes when you are rich and famous you forget that the rules apply to you too. <br /><br />I think if Isabella found out about this, as she propably did, she would have been really annoyed. She had been raised to believe in certain order and this was an outrage. Which, btw, casts a shadow on the commonly believed story about her romantic liason with Roger Mortimer.<br /><br />She did not approve this, she did not like her husbands "too close" friends, and she was a royal by the birth and by marriage. Roger was, after all and in the end, just a knight compared to her. <br /><br />Well, everything is possible, I guess, but her behavior on this and later on points to carachter who knew only too well her position as a royal, so...Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-73487857579188604032015-08-01T06:10:40.713+01:002015-08-01T06:10:40.713+01:00Shocking indeed, bur also quite sad. The poor ladi...Shocking indeed, bur also quite sad. The poor ladies were young and a little bit foolish, it seems. Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-16450068797463970482015-07-31T23:28:44.463+01:002015-07-31T23:28:44.463+01:00Excellent post, as usual. I did a little reading a...Excellent post, as usual. I did a little reading about the Tour de Nesle affair last year--I'm sad to hear that the story about the purses is probably spurious. But you're right, it wouldn't have been much proof, since nobles regularly passed on clothing and other objects to their subordinates. <br /><br />Adultery was not grounds for annulment, because it was a post facto offense, and annulments required a pre-existing impediment that prevented a marriage from being a legitimate marriage in the first place, such as biological or (as in this case) spiritual relationship that would make the marriage incestuous. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-45174144844801877302015-07-31T20:29:09.840+01:002015-07-31T20:29:09.840+01:00A very shocking royal scandal. For the 2 ladies ...A very shocking royal scandal. For the 2 ladies to cheat with 2 brothers - you couldn't make it up!Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.com