tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post2495503840401587843..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: The Trial and Execution of Thomas of LancasterKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-29865879559426713412023-03-26T08:45:40.060+01:002023-03-26T08:45:40.060+01:00Probably 44. My theory is that he was born on 29 D...Probably 44. My theory is that he was born on 29 December 1277.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-12543755709650509372023-03-26T08:01:22.711+01:002023-03-26T08:01:22.711+01:00How old was Thomas when he was executed?How old was Thomas when he was executed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-90054619240385774692017-06-09T15:51:25.326+01:002017-06-09T15:51:25.326+01:00It is interesting that only one of the chronicles ...It is interesting that only one of the chronicles mention it taking more than one stroke to decapitate him. There seemed to be a iconography of depicting his execution in paintings and manuscripts with his neck bleeding as he is stricken. I wonder if that detail was one of things that grew in popularity in the years after his death, along with the push for his canonization?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03319911324398594728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-64862385450848930662016-05-28T05:48:17.174+01:002016-05-28T05:48:17.174+01:00I don't know, I'm not familiar with him.I don't know, I'm not familiar with him.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-22475903417842086022016-05-27T20:58:47.175+01:002016-05-27T20:58:47.175+01:00Are you able to confirm whether John De Harrington...Are you able to confirm whether John De Harrington, first Baron Harington, and adherent of the Earl of Lancaster was indeed one of the barons named among the group who killed Piers Gaveston?Eileennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-58580249672590123462014-01-30T19:46:16.173+00:002014-01-30T19:46:16.173+00:00Very useful indeed, thanks Kathryn!
Very useful indeed, thanks Kathryn!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-15535710946165099902013-10-09T16:47:01.434+01:002013-10-09T16:47:01.434+01:00I did a post about it here: http://edwardthesecond...I did a post about it here: http://edwardthesecond.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/edward-iis-executions-of-1322.html<br /><br />Between 19 and 22 men were executed in March/April 1322, including Thomas.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-54473814805651783962013-10-09T16:45:33.155+01:002013-10-09T16:45:33.155+01:00Any idea who the other 'contrariants' were...Any idea who the other 'contrariants' were? Are there are records of the other men executed at the same time?Janet K L Sealnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-1933059629217463412010-11-01T07:20:16.125+00:002010-11-01T07:20:16.125+00:00Andrew, thanks for stopping by and leaving such a ...Andrew, thanks for stopping by and leaving such a perceptive comment! (Yes, Lancastrians are very welcome here too...;) I find it very hard to have any sympathy for Thomas, myself (it's an emotional thing), but I do take your points.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-54470674976202656432010-10-31T20:25:24.360+00:002010-10-31T20:25:24.360+00:00Great to see all these accounts put together in on...Great to see all these accounts put together in one place. <br /><br />I know Lancaster gets a pretty hard press these days, much of it justified as he was hardly a particularly pleasant man, but I can't help but feel some sympathy for him. <br /><br />He stood by the Ordinances longer than anyone else and found himself in an impossible position after the death of Gaveston, an act which Edward made inevitable by his stubborness. <br /><br />Lancaster was certainly no more self-serving than Simon de Montfort, let the latter is lionised and Lancaster condemned or forgotten.<br /><br />Anyway, keep up the good work, just thought I'd throw a Lancastrian spanner into the works!<br /><br />P.s. The archbishop of York is still called Ebor today and signs his name "John Ebor"Andrew Spencernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-62434198126313087572010-10-27T07:13:57.820+01:002010-10-27T07:13:57.820+01:00Thanks, Clement! I have to agree with Gabriele - ...Thanks, Clement! I have to agree with Gabriele - historical research can be a nightmare, but it's enormous fun too! :-)<br /><br />Glad you liked the post, Elizabeth! I have quite a few posts about Thomas if you're interested in reading more about him (under 'Biographies' in the sidebar) and there's a very scholarly biog of him by J.R. Maddicott (that's very difficult to find at a reasonable price, unfortunately).<br /><br />Anerje, hehe, thought you'd like this one. :-) The fact that seven earls, several of them his close relatives, sat in judgement on Thomas is often ignored even today in favour of blaming the Despensers. Yes, Thomas called himself 'King Arthur' in his treasonous letters to the earl of Moray and James Douglas in 1322, asking them to come to England and ride with him and his allies against Edward.<br /><br />Gabriele, I can't find much (any...) sympathy for him either. :-) I like the use of 'Eboracum' too. In Anglo-Norman at the time, the city was called 'Everwyk'.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-72979531174469563622010-10-27T00:45:49.474+01:002010-10-27T00:45:49.474+01:00Well, Lancaster certainly had it coming. Can't...Well, Lancaster certainly had it coming. Can't say I pity him. ;)<br /><br />Clement, historical research is a nightmare. It's also a lot of fun, or maybe we're just a weird bunch. :)<br /><br />Interesting to see that the Latin text still uses the Roman 'Eboracum' for York.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-12553406351655253742010-10-26T18:09:59.842+01:002010-10-26T18:09:59.842+01:00And there's no doubt that Lancaster had been a...And there's no doubt that Lancaster had been a very persistent throrn in Edward's side for some time. Didn't he make himself out to be like 'Arthur' in his dealings with bruce, and his castle was intended to be like Camelot?Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-49937759522842396582010-10-26T18:06:59.866+01:002010-10-26T18:06:59.866+01:00Now this is a post to relish:> The chronicles ...Now this is a post to relish:> The chronicles seem to agree Edward had sought revenge for Lancaster's murder of Piers - although the Brut is very much sympathetic to Thomas. And the execution is obviously some awful parody for what happend to Piers. Anyone sympathetic to Lancaster should note it wasn't only Edward II acting against him. I doubt Pembroke ever forgave him for besmirching his honour. Plus, I'm sure there was releif from the other nobles that an 'over-mighty subject' had been destroyed.Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-68882786643874114892010-10-26T16:33:38.598+01:002010-10-26T16:33:38.598+01:00Thanks for going to the trouble of posting the var...Thanks for going to the trouble of posting the various accounts of his execution. I am so fascinated by this man! Currently I'm reading about the Earl of Surrey, who has the distinction of being the last noble Henry VIII executed, and though separated by generations, these two men have so much in common and they're both so interesting. Love reading about Lancaster - a historical crush possibly?Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06863958329151143572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20976639075466966422010-10-26T14:53:18.533+01:002010-10-26T14:53:18.533+01:00It is so interesting to read the various accounts,...It is so interesting to read the various accounts, with the differing views and odd details.<br /><br /> It makes me realise how difficult it must be for historians like yourself to pick your way through the details and make a decision on what really happened.Clement Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14116966238223089211noreply@blogger.com