tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post2730953151644861716..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Piers Gaveston's Daughter And The Earl Of Ulster's GrandsonKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-34994036745496029122013-05-27T15:56:47.431+01:002013-05-27T15:56:47.431+01:00Jerry, thanks so much for those fascinating and in...Jerry, thanks so much for those fascinating and insightful comments! Much for me to ponder and consider ;-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-35517915804947370872013-05-27T15:55:42.712+01:002013-05-27T15:55:42.712+01:00Hi Kathryn,
Another very interesting post. Are yo...Hi Kathryn,<br /><br />Another very interesting post. Are you sure Edward didn't have something against Joan, trying to get her betrothed to one Cumberland lord and then another, at a time when it must have been one of the most unsafe counties in England?<br /><br />To be serious though, Joan could not have moved to Egremont any earlier, as Cumberland suffered badly in the great raid of 1322. One local history book even suggests that the castle might have been captured by Robert Bruce, and partly destroyed, although it is not definite on that point. (Do you know otherwise?). <br /><br />For anyone unfamiliar with the area, Egremont is close to the West Cumberland coast, about 40 miles south west of Carlisle, and was one of the strongest castles in the county in 1317. It would have been quite a remote place, although nearby Workington was a port of some importance at the time. As far as I know, the Scots attacked it twice, in 1316 when they returned from a raid on Yorkshire (via Lancaster and the sands of Morecambe Bay to reach Cartmel and Furness Abbey) and again in 1322. <br /><br />So Joan would not have been safe in Cumberland until after the treaty of Bishopthorpe in 1323, and if she died in early 1325, was she already ailing at that time?<br /><br />Would Joan have had to live at Egremont, or did Thomas Multon have lands elsewhere in England? She would certainly have found the wilds of Cumberland very different from peaceful Amesbury.<br /><br />One interesting piece of speculation - I wonder if John Multon was "recommended" in some way by Thomas Wake as a possible husband for Joan? The Cumberland connection seems a bit too co-incidental.<br /><br />Many thanks again for a fascinating post.<br /><br />Jerry BennettJerry Bennettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-33129518601755274622013-05-26T15:43:38.478+01:002013-05-26T15:43:38.478+01:00:-) I understand how you both feel! I hope that ...:-) I understand how you both feel! I hope that reading some of my old posts helps to clear the confusion, hahaha... :) :)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-8849752497581958312013-05-26T15:31:08.656+01:002013-05-26T15:31:08.656+01:00Sami, I do agree with you :-) It's all quite c...Sami, I do agree with you :-) It's all quite complex. I'm wondering how many times will I read it again, before I understand who is who (except for the major characters of the story, of course :-)).Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-5648818821981059032013-05-26T08:20:31.981+01:002013-05-26T08:20:31.981+01:00These family things make me dizzy. All these arran...These family things make me dizzy. All these arranged marriages, cross family ties, who is whose cousin and relative and what. No wonder the royal family was sometimes not the most normal of families. As if king did not have his hands full of other stuff but he also arrainged marriages etc. Yes, I understand that they were part of the politics, but still. Sami Parkkonennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-32477773681811833432013-05-26T07:06:58.736+01:002013-05-26T07:06:58.736+01:00It's so sad that Joan died so young before she...It's so sad that Joan died so young before she could marry John. What a shame.<br /><br />I'm also intrigued by Amie and how she became a damsel in Queen Phillipa's household, especially when there's no known mention of her in any of Edward II's accounts (though there are lots of gaps in them, of course).Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-9562163066610854782013-05-25T18:20:43.203+01:002013-05-25T18:20:43.203+01:00I'm sure Edward gave a lot of thought to Piers...I'm sure Edward gave a lot of thought to Piers' daughter's marriage plans - and not just because she was a wealthy heiress. How tragic that she died before she could marry and produce a family. <br /><br />I know we don't know who the mother of his illegitimate daughter was, but as she became a damsel at the court of Edward III, might it be she had some noble blood? Or did Piers arrange for his daughter to be provided for by other memebers of his family? I guess we'll never know, but it's intriguing, isn't it?Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.com