tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post2970374543494846865..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Yet More Edward II MythsKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-75446064297304144512010-09-21T15:17:47.091+01:002010-09-21T15:17:47.091+01:00That's a great plan, mon trescher et tresredou...That's a great plan, mon trescher et tresredoute seignur! I know Edward would enjoy it enormously, too. :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-82175575222914898592010-09-20T20:45:14.074+01:002010-09-20T20:45:14.074+01:00I would love to share wine with you, ma très chère...I would love to share wine with you, ma très chère dame! And cheese! <3<br /><br />We shall also accost all these <i>malfaiteurs</i> and bring them to our hall, where they shall be dressed in rags and silly hats and made to dance like monkeys before us. I think this would be a satisfying pleasantry to be had whilst we enjoy our cheese and wine. Bring all your friends, so that we shall have plenty on hand to hoot and jeer and taunt in many languages. >:)Louis Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05104477464448107772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-23845352537594944292010-09-19T08:26:38.544+01:002010-09-19T08:26:38.544+01:00They're pretty awful, aren't they, Monsire...They're pretty awful, aren't they, Monsire? Would love to share some of that wine with you...;)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-58400987857478562322010-09-18T18:55:59.548+01:002010-09-18T18:55:59.548+01:00These things make my head ache! I think I shall tr...These things make my head ache! I think I shall try to drink enough wine to make me forget I have read them—though, I am not certain there is that much wine in all of France. ;PLouis Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05104477464448107772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-29031455777282058112010-09-11T08:22:54.519+01:002010-09-11T08:22:54.519+01:00Anerje: :-) :-)
Anon, you're right - Piers wa...Anerje: :-) :-)<br /><br />Anon, you're right - Piers was accused by contemporaries of sending England's wealth back to Gascony (and of wearing Isabella's jewels, which is ridiculous). Do you know J.S. Hamilton's biog of him? He (Hamilton) demolishes this myth to a very great extent.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-2449074098072291892010-09-10T17:47:53.424+01:002010-09-10T17:47:53.424+01:00I just saw the Facebook entry about the horses etc...I just saw the Facebook entry about the horses etc. taken in May 1312. Isn't this another myth - that all these jewels etc. were the property of Piers Gaveston?!! I have even seen reputable historians claim that Piers' vast wealth captured at this time substantiates the accusations that he was "stealing" all the kingdom's wealth for himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-41443837586112797112010-09-09T19:58:53.132+01:002010-09-09T19:58:53.132+01:00see, I knew Kathryn would know:> Thanks!see, I knew Kathryn would know:> Thanks!Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-64438393387646793452010-09-09T10:06:52.118+01:002010-09-09T10:06:52.118+01:00Gabriele, I remember that one! Eek!
Anon, I tota...Gabriele, I remember that one! Eek!<br /><br />Anon, I totally agree - there are some really bad non-fiction history books out there. :-(Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-3920564938116941562010-09-09T02:06:19.581+01:002010-09-09T02:06:19.581+01:00I'll have one, too, a large one. Still dealing...I'll have one, too, a large one. Still dealing with the memory of that craptastic novel that made Varus and Arminius lovers. <br /><br />Some slash pairings just Don't Work.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-75974149897549191652010-09-08T20:28:49.926+01:002010-09-08T20:28:49.926+01:00Unfortunately, it's not just movies and bad no...Unfortunately, it's not just movies and bad novels that contain these myths. Some books that are classified as "history" are very inaccurate, especially what I would call "survey" books with titles like "Lives of the Kings and Queens....". Whenever I see something in a book which I know to be wrong, I feel that I can't trust the author to be accurate on other subjects which I'm not as familiar with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-27009340645782443412010-09-08T08:02:21.865+01:002010-09-08T08:02:21.865+01:00Anerje, it was Ed's grandson Edmund, duke of Y...Anerje, it was Ed's grandson Edmund, duke of York (d. 1402) and his wife Isabel of Castile. <br /><br />I'd love to join you with the glass of red, btw - mine's a very large one...! :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-72437736905919374892010-09-07T21:03:17.233+01:002010-09-07T21:03:17.233+01:00Anon - I contacted the local history society, and ...Anon - I contacted the local history society, and they told me it could exist underneath the school. Sure the land would need to have subsided, but who knows? His remains may also have been reburied in the local church nearby - I know one tomb was (I forget which one, Kathryn will know!).Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-9779578868785782632010-09-06T20:58:25.021+01:002010-09-06T20:58:25.021+01:00I doubt if Piers' tomb still exists. He was pr...I doubt if Piers' tomb still exists. He was probably buried in an above ground tomb, so unless the ground level in that area has really risen over the past several hundred years it seems unlikely that his tomb has become buried there. The British Archaeological <br />Association might know something about this (in the 19th century they stated that 2 of Piers' brothers were also buried at Langley)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-24581691699667481302010-09-06T20:40:12.883+01:002010-09-06T20:40:12.883+01:00Oh Anon, don't mention 'Confessions.....&#...Oh Anon, don't mention 'Confessions.....' to me. It's a HORRIBLE book. And it just reinforced certain social stereotypes. I gather the author is a 'fan' of Piers - but how she can produce a book like that, I don't know. Oh, don't get me stated.....I need a glass of red to calm down......Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-77768999871117325882010-09-06T09:02:25.199+01:002010-09-06T09:02:25.199+01:00Anerje, thought you'd appreciate that one! ;)...Anerje, thought you'd appreciate that one! ;) Wouldn't it be amazing if Piers' tomb was discovered? That would make me sooo happy...sigh...<br /><br />Bryan, thank you for stopping by and for your kind words! That one made me laugh, too; going back 20 or 30 generations, we must all have millions of ancestors, yet somehow he thinks he's inherited the appearance and character traits of just one of them??! You're right - I shouldn't let the crap get to me - it's just that there's just so much of it! :-(<br /><br />Gabriele, agh, I dread to think! Glad I didn't see it.<br /><br />Anon, haha, yes - she married the king of Portugal and killed him, and Henry VIII's uncle was murdered, and...! :) Funny how the later series of The Tudors got more historically accurate. I feel quite strongly that we shouldn't defame the dead, and I hate it when historical novelists turn people who really lived into rapists, wife beaters, child abusers and so on with no evidence. The least said about Confession the better, as far as I'm concerned!<br /><br />Susan, thanks! There's still so much rubbish out there, but I'll keep fighting against it...!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-33612985448903362662010-09-06T02:13:50.074+01:002010-09-06T02:13:50.074+01:00Keep on busting those myths! It's chipping awa...Keep on busting those myths! It's chipping away at a very big stone of nonsense, but it's something!Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-74529344673990578842010-09-05T21:45:31.888+01:002010-09-05T21:45:31.888+01:00I'm not convinced that historical fiction has ...I'm not convinced that historical fiction has to be completely "historically accurate", but some of these works really slander people who are no longer able to defend themselves, such as Piers' mother! (And Piers' brothers were depicted as drunken buffoons in "Confessions..." with Edward no better than a sadistic rapist in some of his sexual encounters with Piers.) And I suppose some viewers of The Tudors really think that Henry's sister murdered her husband!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-4670911652892480022010-09-05T21:06:02.691+01:002010-09-05T21:06:02.691+01:00Well, if they bring Braveheart and Twilight in, Wi...Well, if they bring Braveheart and Twilight in, Wikipedia can count as reliable source. :)<br /><br />That's worse than the TV report about sex in ancient Rome I saw last night that made pretty much every emperor into a pedophile and rapist (of both sexes).Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-56294350416437392892010-09-05T20:41:24.070+01:002010-09-05T20:41:24.070+01:00Well, that was fun! I particularly liked the last ...Well, that was fun! I particularly liked the last one by the guy, who after 30 generations, believed he might have an identikit personality with Edward I. Perhaps he should be on X-Factor!<br />Just laugh it off Kathryn. There will always be a majority out there who will credulously take on any half-baked story and a minority (such as those who read your blog) who will want to assess information more critically. I'm not claiming to be part of an elite. but your work is appreciated, respected and enjoyed.Bryan Dunleavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550652628913169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-30633854525063051582010-09-05T20:26:12.586+01:002010-09-05T20:26:12.586+01:00Yo mean, Piers' mother wasn't really a wit...Yo mean, Piers' mother wasn't really a witch? :> Just kidding! There are some SERIOUS misconceptions there! Keep up the good work!<br /><br />And I wish Piers' tomb could be discovered. It could still be intact, I'm told - and currently, a school has been built on top of the site.Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-91299587347766726452010-09-05T18:56:45.676+01:002010-09-05T18:56:45.676+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-42612561225259705202010-09-05T18:56:31.225+01:002010-09-05T18:56:31.225+01:00Depends a lot on the religious house, I think - mo...Depends a lot on the religious house, I think - most underground remains were left there, and some which were removed from tombs were propped up and displayed in public. Maybe some were re-buried (I hope so). Unfortunately I don't know what happened to Isabella's remains when her tomb was sold off. I agree it's very sad that so many tombs have been lost; I'm particularly sad about Piers Gaveston's!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-31699043786887315202010-09-05T18:50:56.949+01:002010-09-05T18:50:56.949+01:00What was generally done with human remains when re...What was generally done with human remains when religious houses were destroyed during the Reformation? No matter what one thinks of Isabella, it is sad that her tomb has been lost. I think it is especially sad that the tomb of Piers Gaveston has also been lost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-13278998620639235832010-09-05T15:52:10.425+01:002010-09-05T15:52:10.425+01:00Aww, thanks, Carla! I appreciate that! You could...Aww, thanks, Carla! I appreciate that! You could well be right about the Guinevere/Mordred source; it makes as much sense as anything else! :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-85202058128411030152010-09-05T15:40:28.102+01:002010-09-05T15:40:28.102+01:00Some variations of the Arthur legends have Guineve...Some variations of the Arthur legends have Guinevere besieged in the Tower by Mordred. How about that as a source for that particular myth? If the rest of the post is anything to go by, it's as good a source as any....<br /><br />Anyone who is genuinely interested in the evidence and the facts will likely find their way to your blog sooner or later and find your research invaluable. Take heart!Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.com