tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post5181289773724128038..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Misinformation About Edward II, Pokers, EtcKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-40215340253021814192009-09-26T00:09:13.265+01:002009-09-26T00:09:13.265+01:00I loved all the comments also. Thanks all readers...I loved all the comments also. Thanks all readers of this wonderful blog - you make the comments almost as interesting as Alianore's posts!<br /><br />Ms A....have fun in Wales. Promise I am not jealous or anything. Wish you were going to Monmouth or Mitchel Troy or Lydart...would get you to take some pics for me! Alas. <br /><br />Hope the weather is wonderful too. Enjoy!Kate Plantagenetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-58355760604663388252009-09-25T20:52:03.662+01:002009-09-25T20:52:03.662+01:00Really had a good laugh at this post! Got me thin...Really had a good laugh at this post! Got me thinking how was it possible to murder Ed with a red hot poker whilst he was on the toilet - someone must have a terrific aim! And how did they manage to keep it red hot? And how long did they have to hide in the toilet for?<br /><br /> As for the search for Edward and Spanish warrior - maybe he was looking for one? :><br /><br />have a fantastic break!Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-14291574072501309692009-09-23T23:12:23.515+01:002009-09-23T23:12:23.515+01:00Love all the comments! Can't wait for the next...Love all the comments! Can't wait for the next installment of The Support Group. Kathryn & Rachel, u are both hilarious!Karen Bicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-14982004500532992602009-09-23T20:38:45.016+01:002009-09-23T20:38:45.016+01:00Alan Savage is indeed a classic. I haven't rea...Alan Savage is indeed a classic. I haven't read his novels about Eleanor of Aquitaine, but his Margaret of Anjou novel, where poor Margaret's lovers include Elizabeth Woodville, is near the top of my mental list of "The Wars of the Roses Were Fought for This?" novels.Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-25205858073268730612009-09-23T20:37:04.644+01:002009-09-23T20:37:04.644+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-56704843509966373922009-09-23T19:56:05.659+01:002009-09-23T19:56:05.659+01:00Christy: sounds perfect, so I'll pour myself o...Christy: sounds perfect, so I'll pour myself one too, after I check out the 1315 Magna Carta story. Think you may be onto something there.<br /><br />About blog searches: I got several searches for 'Mr Big' and couldn't think when I'd ever used that phrase, then realised Carla had used it in a comment thread when we were discussing which actors would play Edward and the Dunheved gang! Thanks, I'll check out the Alan Savage link asap.<br /><br />Gemini: poor Edward II does seem to come in for more than his fair share of misinformation, and it also seems to me that some (non-fic, I mean) writers pick and choose what primary sources they use or give credence to in order to fit the very negative the image they already have of him, or repeat what they've read in other secondary sources without checking. But hey, at least Ed's got me fighting his corner!<br /><br />Carla: as Gemini said, 700 years of the gossip mill, and some very confused mixing of real events and stories!<br /><br />I've noticed that Carolly Erickson (sp?) uses the term 'historical entertainment' for her own brand of fiction. I don't think that any historical novel can be 100% historically accurate, but I do feel very strongly that writing Isabella as abandoned in Scotland when she conceived Ed III, when in fact she was in York with her husband, or changing Ed III's date of birth by a few months in order to make Mortimer his father, as two novels have done while pretending that they're straight histfict, is <i>completely</i> unacceptable.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-7528576178322111032009-09-23T19:42:39.250+01:002009-09-23T19:42:39.250+01:00Brian: I am now a subscriber to your theory - make...Brian: I am now a subscriber to your theory - makes perfect sense! I enjoyed, and completely agreed with, your recent post on historical accuracy in fiction.<br /><br />Susan: thanks! That one was my particular favourite, too.<br /><br />Ashmodai: wonder if there's something about Piers Gaveston fans that attracts weird searches? :) God only knows why anyone translates and reposts my blog articles, but it happens fairly often. Will post lots of pics of Wales when I get back!<br /><br />Gabriele: *smacks forehead* Of course! So Mort isn't the high priest of heterosexuality after all...*cackles evilly* Will send you a hot Templar next time I run across one, promise!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-10272523121231284432009-09-23T18:31:08.880+01:002009-09-23T18:31:08.880+01:00If you didn't laugh you'd cry :-) Where d...If you didn't laugh you'd cry :-) Where does this stuff come from?<br /><br />Re the "but it's fiction" bleat, yes, but if it is billed as historical fiction the "historical" counts for something too, or at least it ought to. Maybe there should be an alternative term for novels that don't bother about the history - costume fiction, perhaps.<br /><br />Have a good holiday!Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-54283422379654763792009-09-23T17:10:20.895+01:002009-09-23T17:10:20.895+01:00It's amazing how much gross misinformation the...It's amazing how much gross misinformation there is out there - and this just in regards to one particular person. I suppose that's what running juicy rumors through almost 700 years' worth of the gossip mill results in. And then when you state the facts, they think *you* are the one who has it wrong. Oh well...N. Gemini Sassonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00561583704477654856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-6695305891056419612009-09-23T17:00:27.868+01:002009-09-23T17:00:27.868+01:00Elizabeth Chadwick posted a link I loved. Although...Elizabeth Chadwick posted a link I loved. Although the books by Alan Savage purport to be about Eleanor of Aquitaine, the connection (in my mind) with Edward II is obvious: they were both English sovereigns, sex-addicted, imprisoned, and despite the century between her death and Edward's birth -- what the hell, they did the deed and Edward III is the result.<br /><br />http://shelfofshame.blogspot.com/2009/09/queen-of-love-by-alan-savage.htmlChristy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-91397293023682223422009-09-23T16:44:42.630+01:002009-09-23T16:44:42.630+01:00Pour some Hot Templar for me, if you please: I'...Pour some Hot Templar for me, if you please: I'd like salt on the rim and a splash of tequila, with a red-hot poker for stirring. <br />Surely Isabella's contribution to democracy was in affixing her signature to the Magna Carta of 1315 at Runnymede Castle in the Black Mountains of Wales. Check that out, will you, while you're on vacation, and get back to us?<br /><br />Maybe the bizarre search terms are a result of your comments section! Oops.Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-16682275865647449352009-09-23T16:11:55.744+01:002009-09-23T16:11:55.744+01:00Alianore, you got that wrong. Roger Mortimer was E...Alianore, you got that wrong. Roger Mortimer was Edward's gay lover until the pure and chaste adoration of Isabella cured him of his evil ways and he decided to murder the man who had made him deviate from the Path of Rightful Sexuality. :)<br /><br />During my visit in Haltern I came across a German novel that makes Varus and Arminius lovers. And there I thought I had seen everything. ;)<br /><br />Oh, and can I have a hot templar, please? :DGabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-39383732997600652582009-09-23T14:03:09.687+01:002009-09-23T14:03:09.687+01:00.."while he was on the toilet"...
Goodne....."while he was on the toilet"...<br />Goodness...<br />That was a good laugh.<br />And I see that I'm not alone with such stupid blog searches. :-)<br /><br />God, why on earth do people translate your blog with crappy tools and then re-translate it?<br /><br />Have fun on your journey - I envy you <i>a lot</i>. :)Rowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923211901062787444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-45041061281699342972009-09-23T13:21:15.943+01:002009-09-23T13:21:15.943+01:00Hilarious! Loved the one about Isabella being resp...Hilarious! Loved the one about Isabella being responsible for the birth of democracy. Can't wait for your and Rachel's next joint post!Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-84984207267218802962009-09-23T13:13:18.754+01:002009-09-23T13:13:18.754+01:00I have long had a theory that there is an arcane l...I have long had a theory that there is an arcane library somewhere, full of books that give an alternative version of history. This would be an explanation of where some people go to get their non-facts.<br />I am fussy about fiction in the sense I believe that even fiction should be written within known facts! You can't extend people's lives for example. Or you can, but then it stops being HF and becomes fantasy or alternative history.Brian Wainwrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867772590464992131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-72118837253297682622009-09-23T12:23:13.275+01:002009-09-23T12:23:13.275+01:00Thanks, Satima! Glad you liked it.
Rachel: I wro...Thanks, Satima! Glad you liked it.<br /><br />Rachel: I wrote the It's FICTION!!! bit with gritted teeth, as you can imagine. :) But seriously, I think we should co-write that novel with RM as a woman and HD conspiring to kill Ed 10 months after his own death - after all, what's 10 months when William Wallace can father a child after being dead for 7 years? And maybe Ed is a cross-dressing vampire, Piers Gaveston is a chain-smoker who adores chocolate, tomato salads and jacket potatoes, and Thomas of Lancaster is a cool surfer dude. Why not, it's FICTION!!! :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-85045295358158527142009-09-23T12:07:05.197+01:002009-09-23T12:07:05.197+01:00I needed a good laugh and got one - many thanks, A...I needed a good laugh and got one - many thanks, Alianore, and happy trails to Wales!Satima Flavellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17427849961195148899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-7991991300557663392009-09-23T11:14:50.265+01:002009-09-23T11:14:50.265+01:00Love your work! There definitely needs to be a Ju...Love your work! There definitely needs to be a Jurisimprudence Law for the Amazon, IMDb and other posters who need to remind people in all caps that fiction is, well, fiction: anyone who posts "IT'S FICTION!!!", "Go read a biography/watch the History Channel if you want accuracy" or similar as a response to someone discussing historical accuracy in fiction automatically loses the debate and all his/her posts will be disregarded thenceforth.<br /><br />"Or maybe it was Isabella and her gay lover? Maybe Roger Mortimer was secretly a woman! Hey, I definitely feel a crappy sensationalist novel coming on here."<br />Oh, it's sooo tempting :)Rachelnoreply@blogger.com