tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post5229152318158493846..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Hugh Despenser the Younger's siblingsKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-57196084856055741842014-01-10T15:58:49.062+00:002014-01-10T15:58:49.062+00:00As you know, I wholeheartedly concur with your opi...As you know, I wholeheartedly concur with your opinion of Guy. But try to think of it as an attempt to discover one of the elements that made Hugh the Younger tick--the need behind the greed--since a desire for wealth so great must surely have come from some deep psychological motivation. I would love to read your theories on the subject, which would be a blog unto itself! <br /><br />Was it jealousy of Edward's close relationship with Hugh the Elder? Or with Eleanor de Clare? Or with Isabella? Or even Piers, though whether or not it involved the possible intimacy between Edward and Piers I leave to minds more learned than my own.<br /><br />Guy may have been urging Hugh on with all these insecurities or, to quote the film, "The Lion in Winter", "wheezing on the coals". Though I guess with Guy it must have been frothing on them, if the legend is true. I've only read it in Costain's "The Three Edwards", but Piers is supposed to have nicknamed Guy "The Mad Hound" because Guy "had the unfortunate habit of foaming at the mouth". I wonder if that's true . . . <br /><br />As for my finding the dates you mentioned above, consider it a tribute to your ability to write a wonderfully comprehensible post. If I'd gotten as confused as I normally do when trying to read a genealogy, I'd have never even noticed!MRatsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-75660126049845325662014-01-09T16:35:12.291+00:002014-01-09T16:35:12.291+00:00Oooops! Just corrected that to 1352-1396. Thanks ...Oooops! Just corrected that to 1352-1396. Thanks for pointing out the error! ;-) Love your bunny, hehe, and I must do a post on Guy sometime. I've been meaning to for ages, then the rage I feel over his role in Piers' death gives me writer's/researcher's block :/Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-91824209579632257512014-01-08T20:15:09.678+00:002014-01-08T20:15:09.678+00:00A fascinating genealogy, Kathryn.
But I must conf...A fascinating genealogy, Kathryn.<br /><br />But I must confess that for the very first time I got lost at one point. I may have read it incorrectly, "Ralph and Elizabeth's daughter Isabel Camoys was Abbess of Romsey from 1252-1296." Would that be 1352-1396? Or is this another one of the many instances of a couple from an earlier time with the same names? As you pointed out, "'Elizabeth, widow of Ralph Camoys' mentioned in 1370", was in fact Elizabeth's granddaughter-in-law. <br /><br />Also, plot bunny alert!<br /><br />\ /<br />. .<br />>.<<br /><br />(As you can see, Florence's clever emoticons have emboldened me to get creative with my own. You should have seen it in the comment box! With added spaces, the features lined up perfectly!) Though I despise the man, have you ever considered writing a post about Guy of Warwick?<br /><br />According to Conway Davies in "The Baronial Opposition to Edward II", it was most likely Guy who influenced his nephew, Hugh the Younger, to, in the words of Darth Vader, "come over to the dark side". If so, I wonder why he didn't chose Hugh instead of Philip as his heir. Perhaps Guy felt it would imply that he doubted his brother-in-law's ability to provide a great enough inheritance for his son and namesake. I'm also curious to know why Guy never seemed to like Edward, even before Piers began to "rattle his chain." :-D And, I don't recall Guy carrying any of the regalia at the coronation, either, though I'm going on memory, so I could be wrong. I also can't remember Guy displaying any particular devotion to Edward I, but I'm not at all knowledgeable about the particulars of that reign. I would love to read your views on The Mad Hound. A man who could enjoy a book from his extensive library one moment and conspire to murder a man for calling him names the next! And again, I wonder about the extent of his impact on the younger Hugh.<br /><br />Interested . . . ?<br /><br />Wonderful mini-biographies of the Despenser family, Kathryn!MRatsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-66680252940376211142007-05-31T11:00:00.000+01:002007-05-31T11:00:00.000+01:00Thank you, Eric - glad you're enjoying the blog an...Thank you, Eric - glad you're enjoying the blog and the website. I imagine you're probably descended from Isabella Beauchamp through quite a few lines, given all her grandchildren through Maud de Chaworth!<BR/><BR/>Margaret Beaufort certainly was terribly young - AFAIK, she gave birth to Tudor when she was 13 and 7 months old, so must have conceived when she was still 12. No wonder she didn't have any more children...Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-39098415609369431452007-05-30T19:18:00.000+01:002007-05-30T19:18:00.000+01:00I was pleased to see the mention of Isabella Beauc...I was pleased to see the mention of Isabella Beauchamp, my 19G grandmother via Sir Patrick Chaworth and also through Hugh Despenser.<BR/><BR/>And congratulations on your new website, a fine piece of work. If there were providers who offered more than a bare minimum of space I would emulate you with the free copy of Microsoft Expression Web in the current issue of PCPro, but I'm too parsimonious (some would say stingy) if it means paying.<BR/><BR/>Regarding your discussion of Queen Isabella's age when she had Edward III, one would like to know what was PC about the age of consent. As you say, girls did marry very young, but there must have been some convention about not sleeping with them. Margaret Beaufort was 13 when she conceived Henry VII. Jones and Underwood (The King's Mother, CUP,1995,95) say 'it was normal practice to wait until the woman was fourteen before consummating the marriage, and they say Margaret's experience was traumatic, with a difficult birth.Eric Aveburyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798868875167454423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-87681780537075254212007-05-07T18:18:00.000+01:002007-05-07T18:18:00.000+01:00Thanks, Liam! Hehe, maybe I should jack in my car...Thanks, Liam! Hehe, maybe I should jack in my career and become a detective...;) ('Alianore, historical detective'! :)<BR/><BR/>Another example is Ed II's niece, Elizabeth de Clare - she used her first married name of de Burgh through her next two marriages and widowhood - apparently for the reason you suggest.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20099089210445397362007-05-07T16:54:00.000+01:002007-05-07T16:54:00.000+01:00Interesting post! You're detective skills (in dedu...Interesting post! You're detective skills (in deducing why Aline was replaced as Constable of Conwy) are nothing short of amazing!<BR/><BR/>Another interesting tid-bit was that Isabel kept her 'Hastings' name while married to her third husband - was that common practice when the deceased husband was of a higher rank than the current one?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03188874002836550379noreply@blogger.com