tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post544538188552727468..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Was Edward II Trying To Annul His Marriage In 1325?Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-17038335451819672262011-09-15T13:25:22.109+01:002011-09-15T13:25:22.109+01:00Hi
I do like your blog which cheers me up enormo...Hi<br /> <br />I do like your blog which cheers me up enormously on wet cold yorkshire afternoons!<br />Michael Jecks also goes for the whole annulment thing in his books.. off topic but..<br /> <br />I thought you might like to know (if you dont already) that some records of the compotus of Bolton Priory give a few tidbits on Ed II's reign. Prior De Land recorded it in latin and its abstracted in Whittakers History of Craven.<br />Amongst all the usual records of expenses on servants robes ect there is a recorded payment 1306-7 for money to be given to the messenger of the prince of wales for contribution towards the taking of Ed I's heart into the Holy Land. It seems that the money (6s and 8d) was to provide a bell for the procession.<br />Also noted is the gift of 19s and 1d from Piers Gavestone (Com'i Cornub.) in 1310 on his giving up the honour of Skipton..but then a warhorse of his is mentionned at 19s value so the gift may actually have been the horse itself?<br /> <br />Its quite funny because there are some great names here too namely: Botchcollock the Cow'per, Adam Blunder, Simon Paunch, Richard Drunken, Tom Naught and Whirle the Carter.<br /> <br />The compotus ends in 1325Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-83671776459555721702011-09-12T07:47:49.953+01:002011-09-12T07:47:49.953+01:00Thanks, Anerje! It seems to me that some writers ...Thanks, Anerje! It seems to me that some writers forget all logic and common sense when writing about Edward and Isabella. When Weir writes about the Dunheved brothers in 1327, she states as though it's certain fact that 'Stephen' (actually Thomas) was sent to the pope to ask him to grant Edward a divorce. Grrr.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-86678705061564265582011-09-11T19:50:50.997+01:002011-09-11T19:50:50.997+01:00Excellent post Kathryn! Of course it makes no sen...Excellent post Kathryn! Of course it makes no sense for Edward to annul his marriage and therefore bastardise his children. Very annoying of Weir not to check Vatican sources etc and therefor, in a sense, continue the rumour.Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-52503190774221768702011-09-11T18:16:20.757+01:002011-09-11T18:16:20.757+01:00Ah yes, I'd forgotten it was Lanercost who por...Ah yes, I'd forgotten it was Lanercost who portrays Alexander as a womaniser, which as far as I know isn't confirmed anywhere else - and he had no known illegitimate children, so it seems unlikely.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-39803240366740263672011-09-11T18:03:31.095+01:002011-09-11T18:03:31.095+01:00Our dear Lanercost chronicler ... he likes to spre...Our dear Lanercost chronicler ... he likes to spread rumours, doesn't he? Half of the stuff he says about the marriage between Margaret of Scotland and Eirik of Norway he wove out of thin air, and the way he presents the unfortunate Alexander III of Scotland as inept womanizer whom god justly killed in that riding accident sounds more than a bit biased.Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-58525562359542214302011-09-11T15:24:14.377+01:002011-09-11T15:24:14.377+01:00Thank you, Susan!Thank you, Susan!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-62182087995620949742011-09-11T15:20:05.314+01:002011-09-11T15:20:05.314+01:00Excellent post! Very true about Weir. I used to th...Excellent post! Very true about Weir. I used to think that she was sounder on Tudor history than she was on earlier periods, until I started researching it myself and realized how many rumors she takes as fact.Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-59783923275321572772011-09-11T13:56:22.801+01:002011-09-11T13:56:22.801+01:00Thanks so much for the lovely comment and the supp...Thanks so much for the lovely comment and the support, Brian - it means a great deal to me.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-36200008450169424922011-09-11T13:49:47.195+01:002011-09-11T13:49:47.195+01:00You certainly have mounted a convincing case again...You certainly have mounted a convincing case against the conventional arguments here, Kathryn, and my hat is suitably doffed. Amazing the way that the popular historians don't seem to be bothered about supporting evidence or lack of same, particularly with your lad, who, rightly or wrongly, is considered pretty easy to kick. I don't think that anyone could live long enough or stretch the long bow enough to cause the conventional image of Edward to morph into that of a great king, but you just might be able to propel him into the fair/low average range if you keep up your excellent and scrupulously detailed work. Great job, and as always I wish you only the very best, both as a friend and as a scholar.Brian Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197294428071830797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-1422453788351731282011-09-11T13:27:24.917+01:002011-09-11T13:27:24.917+01:00Thank you, Undine! Yes, agree with you on the rum...Thank you, Undine! Yes, agree with you on the rumour issue. As for Weir, it strikes me that she decides beforehand what angle she wants to take on a person (here, that Isabella was an abused neglected victim who found Twu Wuv and hit back), and carefully selects the sources that agree with her theory or can be made to appear that they do, and ignores the ones that don't.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-52091441915076070412011-09-11T13:21:45.982+01:002011-09-11T13:21:45.982+01:00Alison Weir. You know, it's amazing to me how...Alison Weir. You know, it's amazing to me how she's managed to cover so many different periods of history, without getting a single one of them right?<br /><br />It's almost equally amazing how historians--of any era--take contemporary rumors, no matter how strange or illogical, and repeat them as fact. Illuminating post, as always.Undinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16214242522330278662noreply@blogger.com