tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post6556159704208231833..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: My Favourite Edward II QuotesKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-6810521983382276412019-05-22T14:57:02.830+01:002019-05-22T14:57:02.830+01:00Please give the quotation of Edward II as a Histor...Please give the quotation of Edward II as a Historical chronicle play.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06621617734485527819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-51507074021866569422008-11-29T08:51:00.000+00:002008-11-29T08:51:00.000+00:00Thanks, Anerje! I hoped you'd enjoy (or not!) the...Thanks, Anerje! I hoped you'd enjoy (or not!) the Piers one. ;)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-63386554355002236622008-11-28T19:57:00.000+00:002008-11-28T19:57:00.000+00:00Hmmm - the Duchess of Lancaster was the most scand...Hmmm - the Duchess of Lancaster was the most scandalous woman in the 14th century? Isabella would be miffed reading that! And just imagine a tv series 'Medieval Men Behaving Badly' - it would be simply wonderful! Great collection of quotes!Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-15164116684872435392008-11-28T13:08:00.000+00:002008-11-28T13:08:00.000+00:00Lady D: oops, just noticed your comment! Yep, lik...Lady D: oops, just noticed your comment! Yep, like father, like son. :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-84397676974165716582008-11-27T12:26:00.000+00:002008-11-27T12:26:00.000+00:00Gabriele: I'm very fond of the insufficient and de...Gabriele: I'm very fond of the insufficient and derisory one, too. And there's something about 'silly swimmers' that always makes me giggle. ;)<BR/><BR/>Satima: *grin*. Exactly what I thought too! I could only imagine 2 reasons for Mariota to be accompanying the army - either she was a laundry woman, or, ahem, she took care of the soldiers' more basic needs. ;) Which begs the question, how did Hugh Despenser know about her?? :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-53396807070982739252008-11-27T12:06:00.000+00:002008-11-27T12:06:00.000+00:00Whatever was poor Mariota doing wandering around t...Whatever was poor Mariota doing wandering around the army baggage train anyway? No doubt our Victorian moralist would have had a great deal to say about Mariota's profession, which one suspects might have involved the oldest of all:-)Satima Flavellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17427849961195148899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-61089653567244588452008-11-26T20:59:00.000+00:002008-11-26T20:59:00.000+00:00Ah yes, if it was 1313 then it would definitely ha...Ah yes, if it was 1313 then it would definitely have been Hugh the elder - as he wasn't really called 'the father' at that point, and 'our' Hugh was always referred to as 'the son'. Still, obviously it shows where 'the son' learnt how to spin a good tale lol!Jules Frusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207281934232383811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-26574070381333673932008-11-26T16:58:00.000+00:002008-11-26T16:58:00.000+00:00Roflol.The insufficient and derisory answer, and t...Roflol.<BR/><BR/>The insufficient and derisory answer, and the parliamentary swimmers are my favourites. :)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-89968883755193013812008-11-26T09:26:00.000+00:002008-11-26T09:26:00.000+00:00'Medieval Men Behaving Badly', bwhahaha!Carla: yes...'Medieval Men Behaving Badly', bwhahaha!<BR/><BR/>Carla: yes, presuambly that's why the 'sinister suspicion' was mentioned. What amuses me is not the suspicion, but the fact that a man had his ear assaulted by a barrel of wine! :-)<BR/><BR/>Ceirseach: the Flores is wildly entertaining. ;) I lose count of how many times he calls Ed II 'insane' or talks about his 'violent boiling anger'. There's a theory that it was written around the time of Ed III's coronation, possibly commissioned by Isabella to prove that Ed was a disastrous king and his deposition was justified. It certainly lauds Isa to the heavens.<BR/><BR/>Lady D: as the entry dates from 1313, and doesn't qualify Hugh as 'the son', I'm 99% sure it means Hugh the Elder.<BR/><BR/>Christy: I don't have it to hand, but I have a feeling the great chronicler Matthew Paris mentions the incident, and says something along the lines of 'people worried about the day this man would become king when he was capable of ordering something like that'. Ceirseach: so true!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-88346348611046044092008-11-26T03:54:00.000+00:002008-11-26T03:54:00.000+00:00... There must be a LITTLE more to the story than ...... There must be a LITTLE more to the story than that, you'd think. Edward does tend to get very selective reporting from some of his biographers.Hannah Kilpatrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750010843246514032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-81741147671057084052008-11-26T03:11:00.000+00:002008-11-26T03:11:00.000+00:00In "Edward II" by Harold F. Hutchison (pg 7), Edwa...In "Edward II" by Harold F. Hutchison (pg 7), Edward I had, in his early years, "ordered an inoffensive youth, casually met on the highway, to suffer the loss of an ear and an eye simply for his pleasure."Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-68846743857537250352008-11-26T02:01:00.000+00:002008-11-26T02:01:00.000+00:00It sounds exactly like him, doesn't it? :)Now it's...It sounds exactly like him, doesn't it? :)<BR/><BR/>Now it's going to bother me trying to remember if ear-loss/cropping was a punishment for something in particular, or more generic. The civil war example would suggest it was considered an appropriate punishment for Speaking Badly - target the ears for the sins of the tongue? - but that's three centuries later, of course. And you can't really describe a trend from one example.Hannah Kilpatrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750010843246514032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-22209112742953079592008-11-25T22:23:00.000+00:002008-11-25T22:23:00.000+00:00Oh I just love this collection of quotes! There is...Oh I just love this collection of quotes! There isn't enough time or space for me to comment on all of them (although I could quite happily, trust me!). <BR/><BR/>I'll just comment on one that particularly stood out though and that is No 4 - the strange case of Mariota's ear. I notice that the excuse of her losing it is by the testimony of that most trustworthy of courtiers (when it comes to spin!) - Hugh Despenser. The whole wording really reminds me of his defense when he attacked John de Ros lol!Jules Frusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207281934232383811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-55793788763916283172008-11-25T22:19:00.000+00:002008-11-25T22:19:00.000+00:00It was! So seeing someone without an ear would ra...It was! So seeing someone without an ear would raise eyebrows, as it were. Later, I believe it was changed to ear 'cropping' - there were two politically annoying men in the reign of Charles I who were sentenced to have their ears cropped for being nuisances and too noisy with Puritan views, but one of them had already had his ears cropped so the remaining stumps were cut off. Just what you want to read about over breakfast. <BR/><BR/>I don't remember their names - damn, now I'm going to have to go and look them up.<BR/><BR/>And - Piers? behaving badly? Whoever would believe sucha thing? ;) <BR/><BR/>I do like the Flores. It's good fun. It's also a good lesson in What Chronicles Will Say About People They Don't Like, with a side helping of Don't Take Them Too Seriously.<BR/><BR/>And 'literally' just means 'really, really a lot'. Obviously!Hannah Kilpatrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750010843246514032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-20602663679243618492008-11-25T22:14:00.000+00:002008-11-25T22:14:00.000+00:00Wasn't chopping off an ear a punishment for some c...Wasn't chopping off an ear a punishment for some crimes? I can't remember the details - theft, maybe? So if you lost an ear in an accident people would (wrongly) assume you were a convicted thief, unless you could prove otherwise. Could that account for the obsession with ears?Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-26147786148918660282008-11-25T17:15:00.000+00:002008-11-25T17:15:00.000+00:00Or, to be more precise, "Medieval Men Behaving Bad...Or, to be more precise, "Medieval Men Behaving Badly."Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-89111866922644361502008-11-25T14:36:00.000+00:002008-11-25T14:36:00.000+00:00These are great! I love that last one especially. ...These are great! I love that last one especially. You could title this blog "Men Behaving Badly."Susan Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517907583894026599noreply@blogger.com