tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post8387258104992315403..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: English Earls Executed Between 1312 and 1330Kathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-53493658225072216142021-05-15T06:22:25.835+01:002021-05-15T06:22:25.835+01:00Thank you, Gary, so glad you enjoy the site! And w...Thank you, Gary, so glad you enjoy the site! And wow, I didn't know that about Thomas's title, how interesting! Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-35881866622553447162021-05-15T01:16:22.826+01:002021-05-15T01:16:22.826+01:00Kathryn,
Thank you for all the work that you do o...Kathryn,<br /><br />Thank you for all the work that you do on this era of English history. Have always been more of a later Plantagenet fan but have read your work with real appreciation. <br /><br />Read somewhere that both of Edward's younger (half) brothers ran afoul of Hugh the Younger (who didn't) over land and that both of them had supported Isabella and Mortimer when they landed. Know that you have stated in the past that you don't think highly of Thomas of Norfolk but this also may also saved him. (That, and perhaps being more discrete than his younger sibling). <br /><br />(For the record I have always been interested in Thomas because he is the only sibling of a Plantagenet king who had a title created for him that exists today in a direct descent from him). (The Dukes of Beaufort are descended from the Plantagenets but not from a sibling of a king and the titles they hold were created in Tudor times and are not the same as held by their ancestors). <br />Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-23083475288270536142021-04-16T06:55:53.322+01:002021-04-16T06:55:53.322+01:00Esther: yes, another scarily turbulent era!
Antoi...Esther: yes, another scarily turbulent era!<br /><br />Antoine: thank you! It's just an idea I had; Pembroke had already fallen foul of Hugh Despenser the Younger by the time of his death, so I wonder if Hugh might have engineered his execution somehow, to get him out of the way and/or to gain possession of some of his lands (Hugh and his father already had Pembroke's niece and co-heir Elizabeth Comyn in captivity). Either that, or his natural loyalty to the king might have led to his supporting Edward in 1326 and being executed by Isabella as the earls of Winchester and Arundel were.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-87992081988306570662021-04-15T21:48:03.680+01:002021-04-15T21:48:03.680+01:00Hi Kathryn! As always, a brilliant summary of this...Hi Kathryn! As always, a brilliant summary of this unstable period! However I do have a question about the Earl of Pembroke: why do you think his unexpected death might have "spared him from later execution either by Edward II or Queen Isabella"? I certainly do not disagree with you, but what makes you think that and what do you think could have happened to Pembroke had he lived beyond 1324? I know, this is no longer history, just mere speculation, but I would like to hear about some alternate history theories you might have developed about this.Antoinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212905443881571698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-41714155725807593672021-04-13T17:19:50.878+01:002021-04-13T17:19:50.878+01:00Wow! Sounds like being an earl between 1312 and 1...Wow! Sounds like being an earl between 1312 and 1330 was about as safe as being an earl under Henry VIII (at least 3 -- Surrey, Essex and Salisbury, who should count even though she was a countess)<br /><br />EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com