tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post8749285538626473190..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Piers Gaveston's Third ExileKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-68633809825629863702014-06-28T04:11:21.954+01:002014-06-28T04:11:21.954+01:00I think people don't realize is that the baron...I think people don't realize is that the barons considered themselves nearly autonomous, and certainly equal to, the king. Without them, there would be no kingdom. I think Edward could have done anything he wanted to privately, but he must have been completely politically naive to think Piers could publicly insult them and get away with it. It's almost like a suicide wish. I have nothing against him personally, but when you are a military leader you don't insult your top generals.Was this during the time the Earl of Surrey was involved in his lifelong quest for a divorce? That would explain his stand on the issue.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-26408321492298846812011-11-03T12:19:06.196+00:002011-11-03T12:19:06.196+00:00This makes me a bit sick.
I bet Piers even cunning...This makes me a bit sick.<br />I bet Piers even cunningly poisoned the wells of the kingdom...<br />This must have been horrible for both him and Edward.Rowan Lewgalonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05285252361777777245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-72091333191539901412008-03-25T09:58:00.000+00:002008-03-25T09:58:00.000+00:00Carla: yes, the Ordinances have a great deal in co...Carla: yes, the Ordinances have a great deal in common with the 1258 Provisions, and the formation of the Lords Ordainer was clearly based on the Council of Fifteen of 1258. Contemporary commentators were well aware of the similarities, and pointed out that the earl of Lancaster was, politically, the heir of Simon de Montfort (and even held his earldom of Leicester).<BR/><BR/>In many ways, Ed II was extremely similar to his grandfather Henry III, and inherited the 'lack of any kind of political sense' gene. :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-29051675168843975982008-03-24T18:16:00.000+00:002008-03-24T18:16:00.000+00:00The Ordinances and the Ordainers sound faintly rem...The Ordinances and the Ordainers sound faintly reminiscent of the Provisions forced on Henry III by Simon de Montfort and the barons. What do you think - is that a parallel? If I remember rightly, one of the grievances against Henry was favouritism towards his Lusignan half-siblings. Maybe there was a gene for complete absence of political sense.....Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-83714082005854547382008-03-24T08:28:00.000+00:002008-03-24T08:28:00.000+00:00Gabriele: yay, a trip to Wales! Looking forward t...Gabriele: yay, a trip to Wales! Looking forward to hearing about that.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Lady D! The grievances presented to Ed II in 1309 are basically a repetition of ones presented to his father in 1300 - with the added one that Ed II had 'lost' Scotland, which his father had bequeathed to him whole. Yeah, riiiight....*rolls eyes*. 'Losing' Scotland was a frequent complaint against Ed, and the 'evil counsellors' one came up <I>really</I> often. The word 'recycling' springs to mind...Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-9887764780540920272008-03-23T22:52:00.000+00:002008-03-23T22:52:00.000+00:00Wow, Ed surely had even more problems with his bar...Wow, Ed surely had even more problems with his barons than Heinrich IV. <BR/><BR/>Btw, my father agreed to fund a research trip to Wales, so now I'll have to figure out what I want so see and how to get there. :)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-39677075945189889532008-03-23T20:57:00.000+00:002008-03-23T20:57:00.000+00:00Oooh, very cloak and dagger that last bit! You rea...Oooh, very cloak and dagger that last bit! You really couldn't make it up, could you?<BR/><BR/>I'm wondering how far those charges against Piers relate to those later on against Hugh. It seems that certain set pieces were dug up and used whenever the magnates wanted rid of a favourite. In which case some of the accusations might be a bit... well, dodgy.<BR/><BR/>Great post though Alianore! Woke me up from my Easter stupor ;-)Jules Frusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207281934232383811noreply@blogger.com