tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post8981581063568151099..comments2024-03-14T05:56:44.390+00:00Comments on Edward II: Stay Away From The King, You GasconsKathryn Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-30612550049251417722012-01-28T09:48:38.744+00:002012-01-28T09:48:38.744+00:00Yes, I've read that too, Carla. It becomes a ...Yes, I've read that too, Carla. It becomes a little problematic when it's translated too literally.Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-32784439703911086612012-01-25T23:14:12.385+00:002012-01-25T23:14:12.385+00:00I remember reading somewhere that the Latin term &...I remember reading somewhere that the Latin term 'nepos' can be translated as either 'nephew' or 'grandson', which could fit in with the use of 'nephew' in a general sense of 'younger male relative', if it was derived from a Latin term with a similarly vague meaning. Unfortunately I can't remember the context off-hand. <br />I can see that a catch-all term for certain sorts of relatives could have been useful, given how complicated family trees could get with second and third marriages, half-siblings, step-siblings, various degrees of cousins and so on.Carlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901028520813891575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-48914271813851147822012-01-23T07:32:55.772+00:002012-01-23T07:32:55.772+00:00Thanks, Gabriele! Yes, for sure you understand th...Thanks, Gabriele! Yes, for sure you understand the problem too. :):)<br /><br />You're welcome, Anerje! I wonder about that sometimes too. :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-51734977469356608092012-01-22T20:05:57.173+00:002012-01-22T20:05:57.173+00:00Yes! A Piers-based post makes me very happy - tha...Yes! A Piers-based post makes me very happy - thanks! Piers' family tree is very complicated but the answers must be out there somewhere. There's definitely an anti-Gascon feeling amongst the nobles - remember Piers was accused of sending money out of England to Gascony. It makes me wonder if Piers had been born amongst the English nobility, would he have been so disliked? I daresay they would have found other reasons, and anyway, he wouldn't have been Piers Gaveston then :>Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-520402831008635212012-01-22T19:33:41.781+00:002012-01-22T19:33:41.781+00:00Heh, good luck sorting out family trees. I've ...Heh, good luck sorting out family trees. I've done my share of that for German nobles - most of them called Heinrich. :)Gabriele Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205770868139083575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-74211580039404950592012-01-22T18:46:56.360+00:002012-01-22T18:46:56.360+00:00Edward II (and surely others too, but I haven'...Edward II (and surely others too, but I haven't checked! :) sometimes used 'nephew' in a very general sense of 'somewhat younger male relative'. For instance, he addressed one of his Castilian first cousins once removed as 'nephew' in 1324, and also his clerk Giorgio di Saluzzo, who was only his third cousin. So I think probably Bertrand as Piers' 'nephew' has been interpreted a bit too literally.<br /><br />I wish I knew more about Guillaume Arnaud! :-( And also Fortaner de Lescun, who Hamilton says was Piers' uncle but appears in a petition as his brother. Hmmmm. Would love to sort out the Gaveston/Gasbaston family tree. :-)Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19545049.post-80746029750477080282012-01-22T18:33:33.139+00:002012-01-22T18:33:33.139+00:00Glad to see something about Piers! I've also t...Glad to see something about Piers! I've also thought that "nephew" didn't make much sense, unless the term was used differently in the middle ages. I wonder how Piers' brother Guillaume Arnaud felt about this - he isn't mentioned by name so he probably hadn't done anything "wrong" that the Ordainers could accuse him of, but he was still at risk of losing his job with Piers and/or Edward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com