On 9 March 1325, Queen Isabella departed from England for France to negotiate between her husband Edward II and her brother Charles IV, then at war with each other in the little-known War of Saint-Sardos, which I really must write a post about sometime. Isabella sailed from Dover with a large retinue and of course the full knowledge and permission of Edward II, and also with the blessing of Pope John XXII, who called her an "angel of peace" and had urged her to go to France to bring about an end to the conflict between her husband and her brother. The later chronicler Jean Froissart, born in about 1337, invented a tale where Isabella and her son fled from England in secret from Winchelsea after pretending to go to Canterbury on pilgrimage, a very silly and inaccurate story followed rather too slavishly by some other writers. There's a theory that Charles IV was conspiring against Edward II, possibly with Roger Mortimer (who escaped from the Tower of London on 1 August 1323 and made his way to the continent), and deliberately engineered Isabella's 'escape' from England with the knowledge that she was going to act against her husband in cahoots with Roger. This would need another blog post to sort out, so let me just say at this point that I think this story is extremely unlikely and based on nothing more than hindsight and imposing an order and pre-conceived pattern which never existed on the chaos at the end of Edward II's reign.
Isabella's itinerary in France still exists: she passed through Boulogne, where she and Edward had married seventeen years previously; Montreuil, part of Edward's inheritance from his mother which he gave to her in 1308; Crécy, where her and Edward's son Edward III would win a famous victory against the French twenty-one years later; Beauvais and Pontoise, where on 20 March she dined with her sister-in-law and first cousin Jeanne d'Evreux, queen of France and Charles IV's third wife, and other members of her family. On 21 March, she met her brother Charles IV at Poissy, and began the difficult negotiations which resulted in a peace treaty between England and France on 30 May.
Isabella sent Edward II a letter on 31 March 1325, admitting she was finding her brother very harsh to deal with (lui trovoi deur). She was, presumably, very angry with Edward at this time: he had confiscated her lands six months previously and, because of the war with France, removed her French servants from her household (he didn't remove her children from her, however; this is a modern myth with no foundation). Or at the very least, she was angry with Hugh Despenser the Younger for persuading Edward to do these things, and, one imagines, also deeply annoyed with Edward for allowing Hugh to do so and to treat her so disrespectfully. There is no sign in her letter of any anger, however, which is long and affectionate and addresses Edward five times as "my very sweet heart," mon tresdoutz coer.
Edward and Isabella never met again after 9 March 1325, or at least, there's no evidence that they did. I've written a post, and see also this one, about their complex and fascinating relationship. Sometime in the late autumn or early winter of 1325, Isabella made the momentous decision to stay in France and not return to Edward, and made a long and dramatic speech to the French court (recorded by the Vita Edwardi Secundi) declaring that she would wear widow's clothes until she was "avenged of this Pharisee," i.e. Hugh Despenser the Younger, who had destroyed her marriage. She stated on several later occasions that she felt herself unable to return to her husband because of the physical danger to herself from Hugh, whom she utterly loathed and on whom she avenged herself by having him grotesquely executed on 24 November 1326. At some point before 8 February 1326, when their names were linked together in a proclamation by Edward II complaining that his wife was consorting with "the king's notorious enemy and rebel," she began a relationship with Roger Mortimer, though we really don't know the true nature of their relationship, whatever may be claimed nowadays.
As late as 5 February 1326, after her refusal to return to England and her husband, Isabella referred to Edward II in a letter to Walter Reynolds, archbishop of Canterbury, as "our very dear and very sweet lord and friend," nostre treschier et tresdouche seignur et amy. This is a very unconventional way of talking about your husband - 'our very dear lord' would be conventional - and hints at some deep feeling she held for him. Another intriguing aspect of an intriguing relationship; take no notice whatsoever of modern writers who claim that the pair loathed and despised each other. They didn't. There is also absolutely no reason to suppose, as one modern writer has claimed, that Isabella felt "profound revulsion" for Edward in 1325/26 or at any point ever. Isabella also stated in her letter "...we desire, above all else, after God and the salvation of our soul, to be in the company of our said lord [Edward] and to live and die there" and that no-one must think that she had left her husband "without very great and justifiable cause," i.e. feeling threatened by Hugh Despenser, who, as she pointed out, had full control of the king and his realm. This may, of course, be the queen's attempt to keep up appearances, but it may well be true. We don't know when she decided that her husband should be removed from power, and it may even have been well after her invasion force landed in England on 24 September 1326. I'll discuss this point in a future post, and will just say here that the assumption that Isabella had been planning Edward's downfall for years is just that, an assumption.
Sources: Isabella's letter of March 1325 is printed in full (in the original French) in Pierre Chaplais, ed., The War of Saint-Sardos (1323-1325): Gascon Correspondence and Diplomatic Documents, Camden third series, lxxxvii (London, 1954), pp. 199-200, and the letter of February 1326 is cited in Seymour Phillips' Edward II (London and New Haven, 2010), p. 491.
Great article, thank you! The War of Saint Sardoz is fascinating - I first learned of it reading Sumption's 'The Hundred Years War'. Gascony/Aquitaine was such a powder keg at the time, and the incident at Saint Sardos was the little spark that set things off. I look forward to you writing about that in the future!
ReplyDeleteWonderful stuff, once again! Thank you.
ReplyDeleteOne wonders if it was Roger Mortimer who convinced her, together with her brother, to remove Edwardm instead of going after Hugh alone.
This is after all the logic of some other conspirators of much later days: if you wish to go after the number two, you must at first clip the wings of the number one.
So if Isabella wanted to wipe out Hugh, she had to make Edward unable to take revenge and this, naturally, suited for both Philip and Roger.
What about her letters over time? Is there any discernible change in tone in Isa's letters at all, perhaps at certain earlier points in their marriage?
ReplyDeleteHmm ... that was a rather nerdy question, eh? Maybe I should just wait to read your bio ;-)
Thanks, Monte! There's a bit about the war in my book, and hope to write a post here before too long ;)
ReplyDeleteThank you, Sami! I really wish we could know who decided what and when in 1325/27!
Ulrik: :) Unfortunately, few of Isabella's letters still exist, and as she and Edward were together most of the time, they didn't write to each other too often - and the ones they did write don't survive :/
So technically, we have Isabella's own words, rather than a chronicler's words. It's because of what we know what happened that we think we know there was no love between Edward II and Isabela. We don't know when Isabella discussed deposing her husband - even when she invaded, her intention may have been to merely get rid of Despencer. Exile for him would be out of the question - she saw how often Edward re-called Piers. Her only choice was execution - and she knew her husband would never forgive that. He waited years for his revenge on Lancaster for Piers.
ReplyDeleteGreat post! Isabella's behavior (buried with Edward's heart and in her wedding clothes) and the behavior of Joan Mortimer somehow makes me doubt that Isabella and Roger had a big affair. IMO, people looking at her spending time with with Mortimer concluded that they were having an affair because they couldn't believe a woman was so involved in plotting and conspiracy.
ReplyDeleteEsther
After reading this post I am wondering once again why the historians and authors of historical fiction don't even try to take different apporach to
ReplyDeleteEdward and Isabella's relationship. It would be simply fascinating if somebody tried to give a full picture of the complex feelings the two must have shared. I suppose it would need some extra skills to descibe all the complexity involved or perhaps the authors find it too great a risk to write about real affection between husband and wife. It might spoil the whole thing... Better stick to scandal and intrigue so that their books come out as roaring success.
Of course! how could I have forgotten about the usually very scarce record of Medieval personal letters?! If I could have one wish it would be that there were more of these writings preserved ... :-/
ReplyDeleteKasia! You are absolutely right.
ReplyDeleteIf one would even try to write a fictional story abouyt Edward and Isabella "realisticly" that would require tons of talent.
It would require an understanding of the human psyche, understanding of an very un-conventional marriage of two very un-conventional indidviduals, and how their relationship would develop trough the years.
I think Isabellas own words and behavior later on speaks for something much more complex than the usual "she hated him because he was so gay" -poop written so often these days.
I think you're all going to enjoy my take on Edward and Isabella's relationship in the book :-)
ReplyDeleteWelcome back, and hope you had a good holiday!
ReplyDelete'imposing an order and pre-conceived pattern which never existed'
I think you've touched on something rather profound there. A Cunning Secret Plot is much more interesting than one thing leading haphazardly to another (cock-up may be more likely than conspiracy, but it doesn't make nearly such a good story), and it's also rather unsettling to think that major events happen chaotically. It seems to be a human trait to look for meanings, so it's perhaps not surprising if medieval chroniclers had a tendency to impose/imagine an orderly pattern of events, even if no such thing applied at the time.
Re Isabella and her feelings towards Edward II, it's perfectly possible for people to feel conflicting emotions and hold contradictory opinions. Edward II could have been simultaneously an attractive person and a hopeless king; and those two might easily elicit very different reactions. If Isabella loved him as a person but thought he was a disastrous king (disastrous not only for himself and his country, but also for her and her children), what would/should she do...? (That might make an interesting novel :-) Wonder if anyone has taken that angle?)
Thank you, Carla, I had a lovely time!
ReplyDeleteWow, I'm currently writing a blog post about the Grand Conspiracy Theory of Edward II's downfall, and it is genuinely like you've read my mind. :-)
Alas, sadly mind-reading is a talent I don't have :-) More likely is that you've mentioned your ideas about conspiracy theories here and I've picked up on them because they chime with something I was already thinking about.
ReplyDeleteIsabella must have been torn between her husband and brothers, when they were at war. Do you think she might have come to identify with the French side in the quarrel, breaking with her husband?
ReplyDeleteAlso, Edward really should have thrown the Despensers to the wolves. Most rulers wouldn't hesitate to get rid of such damaging ministers.