26 October, 2013

Thomas of Brotherton's wedding, his daughter Margaret and his grandchildren

To clarify right from the start, I don't know when Edward II's half-brother Thomas of Brotherton, earl of Norfolk, got married, or when his eldest child Margaret was born, but here's some speculation anyway.  :-)  Rather curiously, there is no mention of Thomas's wedding in Edward II's extant accounts, no record of the king attending or sending a gift; nor is there any record of Thomas being fined or otherwise reprimanded for marrying without the king's consent.  Given that Thomas was the son and brother of kings of England and nephew of a king of France (Philip IV), it's remarkable that the date of his wedding is unknown and that his bride, Alice Hailes, daughter of the coroner of Norfolk, came from a very obscure family.

Thomas of Brotherton was born on 1 June 1300 as the eldest of the three children of King Edward I, then aged almost sixty-one (born 17 June 1239), and his second queen Marguerite of France, daughter of Philip III and younger half-sister of Philip IV.  Thomas, who was sixteen years younger than his half-brother Edward II, was followed by a brother Edmund of Woodstock, later earl of Kent (5 August 1301 - 19 March 1330) and a short-lived sister Eleanor (May 1306 - October/November 1311), who was born when their father Edward I was almost sixty-seven.  By way of comparison, Edward I's eldest great-grandchild Hugh, Lord Despenser (d. 1349), son of Eleanor de Clare and Hugh Despenser the Younger, was born in 1308 or 1309: only two or three years between a child and a great-grandchild.  Thomas of Brotherton was seven when his father died on 7 July 1307, and was heir to the English throne from that day until the birth of his nephew, Edward II and Isabella of France's son the future Edward III, on 13 November 1312.  Perhaps by way of consolation, Edward II created his twelve-year-old half-brother earl of Norfolk a month later.  [1]  Thomas was an executor of his mother Queen Marguerite's will after her death on 14 February 1318, and was knighted by Edward II in Newcastle on 15 July 1319.  [2]

Twenty-year-old Thomas was still unmarried on 16 August 1320, when he went to Langley in Hertfordshire to meet the king - recently returned from a trip to France to pay homage to his brother-in-law/Thomas's first cousin Philip V for his French lands - and discuss or ask advice about his marriage.  Edward II told Thomas to come back to him again sometime later at Clarendon and wrote about it to their kinsman Aymer de Valence, earl of Pembroke, who would join him at Clarendon, "because in this matter...we do not wish to hear or do anything without your counsel" (pur ce qe en cele chose...nous ne voloms ouir ne rien faire saunz vostre conseil, my translation).  [3]  King Jaime II of Aragon had proposed his daughter Maria (born 1299), widow of Pedro of Castile, as Thomas's bride, but in August 1321 reported to Edward that Maria had decided to take the veil and that he did not think he would be able to change her mind.  [4]  (Pedro of Castile was the son of Sancho IV and younger brother of Fernando IV and thus Edward II's first cousin once removed via Edward's mother Eleanor of Castile, and was killed at the battle of Vega de Grenada in June 1319.  And it's interesting to see that Maria of Aragon went her own way here, chose her own fate and decided she didn't want to remarry, and that her father didn't force her to obey his will even when it meant allying with a powerful country.)  At the same time, Edward II and Jaime II were involved in negotiations for Edward's son Edward of Windsor, the future Edward III, to marry Violante (born 1310), another of Jaime's daughters, though ultimately nothing came of it; both marriages were proposed by Pierre Galicien, Edward II's treasurer of the Agenais in Gascony, and Vidal Villanova, a councillor of Jaime II.  [5]  Thomas of Brotherton must have been aware of these negotiations for his marriage in Aragon, as he was with Edward at Gloucester on 28 March 1321 when the king sent his envoy to Spain to continue them.  [6]

At some point after the negotiations with Aragon, Thomas married Alice Hailes, daughter of Roger Hailes, coroner of Norfolk.  It was an extraordinary marriage for a man who was, as I said above, son and brother of kings of England and nephew of a king of France, and whose marriage to the king of Aragon's daughter had been proposed and discussed.  Thomas turned twenty-one and thus came of age on 1 June 1321, and perhaps married Alice Hailes shortly after learning that Maria of Aragon was not available that August.  As to why a king's son would want to marry a woman of obscure family, with no lands, wealth or powerful connections, I cannot imagine.  Presumably it must have been a love, or lust, match, but in that case - sorry for being crude - Thomas could merely have taken Alice as his mistress rather than his wife.  However romantic a king's son marrying a woman of his choice so much farther down the social scale might seem to us, to Thomas's contemporaries it must have seemed entirely unaccountable, and deeply foolish.

Thomas of Brotherton and Alice Hailes had three children.  Their only son was Edward, who married Beatrice, one of the youngest of the eight daughters of Roger Mortimer, earl of March, and Joan Geneville, in 1329.  Edward can't have been more than five or six at the time, Beatrice presumably some years older (Roger's imprisonment at the Tower of London in February 1322 and his escape to the Continent in August 1323 necessarily ended his marital relations with Joan, and their twelve children must have been born before his imprisonment).  Edward of Norfolk sadly died as a child in 1334, or perhaps even 1332 or 1333; the date, as with so much else in Thomas of Brotherton's life, is not recorded, but Edward's young widow Beatrice Mortimer had married her second husband Thomas Braose by 2 December 1334.  [7]  There were also two daughters of Thomas and Alice Hailes' marriage: Alice, the younger, and Margaret.  Alice married Sir Edward Montacute (died 1361), youngest son of Edward II's friend Sir William Montacute (died 1319); Edward's elder brother William (died 1344) was earl of Salisbury, and another brother, Simon, was bishop of Worcester and Ely.  Edward Montacute must have been close to twenty years older than Alice, given that his elder brothers Earl William and Bishop Simon were born in 1301 and 1303/04 respectively, and Alice was born in or after 1323 (I don't know, and I don't know if anyone knows, if she was older or younger than her brother Edward).  Alice had in fact been betrothed to the earl of Salisbury's son John, but when he died suddenly, his uncle Edward Montacute was substituted and married her instead.  This was to prove tragic for poor Alice: in the early 1350s her husband beat her so badly she died of her injuries, and, although Alice was the first cousin of Edward III, Montacute suffered no penalty whatsoever for this vile act.  Alice had several children, who died quite young.

The date of birth of Margaret of Norfolk (also known as Margaret Marshal and Margaret of Brotherton), Thomas of Brotherton and Alice Hailes' eldest child, is almost invariably given as c. 1320, but given what I wrote above about the negotiations with Aragon for her father's marriage in 1320/21, that's too early.  A date of birth of 1322 for Margaret would seem about right, probably the year after her parents' marriage.  It can't be pushed back later than 1323 or 1324 as her own first child was born in 1338.  Margaret, niece of Edward II, first cousin of Edward III, married John, Lord Segrave (born 1315), whose father Stephen (died 1325) had been Constable of the Tower of London in August 1323 when Roger Mortimer escaped.  Thomas of Brotherton was granted the wardship and marriage of the twelve-year-old John Segrave on 3 March 1327, early in the regency of Mortimer and Isabella, and, so the entry on the Patent Roll states, "for service to queen Isabella."  [8]  It was logical, therefore, for Thomas to arrange his daughter's marriage to his ward.  The Segraves held reasonably extensive lands but were hardly among the first rank of the nobility, and arranging his daughter's marriage to John seems therefore not to have been a great decision on Thomas of Brotherton's part, which isn't surprising when we look at his life and career and choices in general.  John Segrave died in April 1353, and shortly before 30 May 1354 Margaret married secondly a man far more to her liking and by her own choice, without her cousin Edward III's permission: Walter, Lord Manny or Mauny, a Hainaulter who probably came to England in 1328 with Queen Philippa (of Hainault).

When Thomas of Brotherton, earl of Norfolk, died on 4 August 1338, his elder daughter Margaret, then aged perhaps sixteen, succeeded as countess of Norfolk in her own right, and also as hereditary Lord or Earl Marshal of England.  With the exception of her four greats granddaughter and heiress Anne Mowbray, who died as a child in 1481, Margaret is the only woman in English history to have held this office.  Richard II, great-grandson of Margaret's uncle Edward II, created her duchess of Norfolk in her own right on 29 September 1397, the first English woman in history to be a duchess in her own right.  (The first English duchess in history was Isabella Beaumont, wife of Henry of Grosmont, made duke of Lancaster in 1351.)  Duchess Margaret died on 24 March 1399, when she must have been in her late seventies, the last surviving of Edward I's grandchildren; her cousin Margaret de Bohun, countess of Devon, who lived till December 1391, was the second longest survivor.

Two of Margaret's six or seven children, both daughters, lived long enough to marry and have children, although Margaret outlived both of them.  One was Anne Manny, born on 24 July 1355, who married John Hastings, earl of Pembroke (born 1347) - grandson of Roger Mortimer and Joan Geneville via their daughter Agnes, and widower of Edward III's daughter Margaret (died 1361) - with whom she had one child, also John Hastings, earl of Pembroke, born in 1372 and killed jousting in 1389.  Although this John was only seventeen when he died, he had been married twice: to the much older Elizabeth of Lancaster, daughter of John of Gaunt and granddaughter of Henry of Grosmont, which marriage was annulled; and secondly to Philippa Mortimer, great-granddaughter of Edward III.  John died childless, and that was the end of the Norfolk-Manny-Hastings line.  It was also the end of the genealogical line of one of my favourite women of the fourteenth century, Juliana Leyburne, who was the paternal grandmother of John Hastings, earl of Pembroke born in 1347.

Margaret of Norfolk's other surviving daughter was her eldest child Elizabeth Segrave, born on 25 October 1338 when Margaret was probably fifteen or sixteen.  Elizabeth married John, Lord Mowbray, born on 25 June 1340, one of the many grandchildren of Edward II's first cousin Henry of Lancaster.  John Mowbray died in his late twenties on crusade near Constantinople, leaving his and Elizabeth's elder son John who died as a teenager, a younger son Thomas born in 1366, and four daughters, one of whom was abbess of Barking.  Thomas Mowbray, heir to the Mowbrays, the Segraves and the earldom/dukedom of Norfolk, was made earl of Nottingham by Richard II in 1386 but perpetually banished from England by him in 1398 following a quarrel with the future Henry IV, and died in Venice the following year.  He had become duke of Norfolk in the meantime on the death of his elderly grandmother Margaret of Norfolk on 24 March 1399.  Thomas married Elizabeth, daughter of the earl of Arundel executed by Richard II in 1397, and his descendants were dukes of Norfolk in the fifteenth century, as Margaret of Norfolk's heirs.  Thomas Mowbray's son and heir John, duke of Norfolk (1392-1432) married in 1412 a woman, Katherine Neville (born c. 1400), who lived long enough to attend her nephew Richard III's coronation in 1483.  It's rather astonishing to me that a man born in Edward III's reign had a daughter-in-law who lived into Richard III's reign.


1) Calendar of Charter Rolls 1300-1326, p. 205.
2) Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
3) J.R.S. Phillips,Aymer de Valence, earl of Pembroke 1307-1324: Baronial Politics in the Reign of Edward II (1972), pp. 190-191, citing The National Archives SC 1/49/49.
4) Pierre Chaplais, English Medieval Diplomatic Practice (1982), part 1, vol. 1, pp. 63-66.
5) Ibid.
6) Alison Marshall, 'Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk and Marshal of England: A Study in Early Fourteenth-Century Aristocracy', PhD dissertation, Univ. of Bristol, 2006, p. 78.
7) Calendar of Patent Rolls 1334-1338, p. 62; Brad Verity, 'Love Matches and Contracted Misery: Thomas of Brotherton and his Daughters (Part 1), in Foundations, the Journal of the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (2006), 2 (2), pp. 91-110 (p. 105).
8) Patent Rolls 1327-1330, p. 23.


Anerje said...

Very intriguing - it may well have been a love match, and just maybe, Thomas respected Alice enough not to just want her to be his mistress. There surely can't be any other reason?

Interesting post - I knew very little about Thomas and his descendants.

Gabriele Campbell said...

It's a bit like Robb Stark and Jeyne Westerling, maybe.

And wow, Edward I surely was manly and virile, siring children at 60plus.

Sami Parkkonen said...

Once again, staggering piece of information, as always.

Was Alice's father a commoner? I know that some coroners, despite of the prestige of their profession, were not noble birth, so...

Maybe Thomas lost his hopes for any arranged marriage or decided that when he had once dodged a bullet of those, he should get married sooner than later, before he would be handed a royal or noble wife again with whom he has no connection at all.

Or perhaps he just saw Alice and said: wow, thats a woman I want.

Kathryn Warner said...

He was a knight, Sir Roger Hales or Hailes, and as far as I remember he died a few years before Thomas married Alice.

Anonymous said...

Great article as always. I have grave doubts that Anne Boleyn invented the tactic of "holding out for marriage" -- maybe, Alice used it too, and Thomas didn't want to use force?


Kathryn Warner said...

Thanks, all, for the comments! It must surely have been a love match, and yes, perhaps Alice was a forerunner of Elizabeth Woodville and Anne Boleyn! Without Edward II's two sons, if something had happened to them or if he hadn't fathered them, Alice might well have been queen of England. King Thomas and Queen Alice Hailes!

MRats said...

Another wonderful post, Kathryn! Thomas of Norfolk is so obscure compared to Edmund of Kent.

I agree with Sami. I think Thomas decided to marry for love before Edward found him another match. The negotiations with Jaime II probably brought home to Thomas the fact that it was either then or never. In my opinion it says a lot for Edward that he didn't "thump" Thomas for it in any way.

How horrible for poor Alice who married Edward Montacute! Though wife-beating was considered an acceptable practice in the fourteenth century, I never knew that there would be no repercussions if the woman died--especially if she were the first cousin of a king!

I've often wondered who, if any, of the noblewomen from Edward's day might have been victims of spousal abuse, as there were at least a few notably unhappy marriages. When Edward's detractors claim he was unkind to Isabella, they should take into account that her only known injury during her time as queen was the burn she suffered in France!

Kathryn Warner said...

So true! There are examples of marriages in Edward's time - his niece Joan of Bar and the earl of Surrey, his cousin Thomas of Lancaster and Alice de Lacy - which were very obviously deeply unhappy.

It's almost beyond belief to me that there was no justice even for a woman who was the granddaughter and niece of kings :-)

Brian Wainwright said...

I have visited the place Alice came from, and even today it's remote - you have to cross a great common to get to it. It's a wonder to me that Thomas ever found her, let alone anything else.

Andrew Brotherton said...

well here's hoping i'm related in some way

Kathryn Warner said...

That would be good! :-)

Abby Martin said...

I am a descendant of some Daggetts (Doggetts) from Suffolk, who, in every generation of their descendants in N. America since their arrival in the 1630's have carried on the name "Brotherton" in each generation -- my own grandfather was Frederick Brotherton Martin, b. 1875 in Nova Scotia. The first of these pilgrims is listed as married to, in different histories, either Alice Lappage, or Hepzibah Brotherton, or Alice Brotherton. I recently read that Thomas of Brotherton granted a title to a Doggett (or Daggett) in the south of England in the 1330's. I'm wondering if this Daggett man was in fact an illegitimate son of Thomas of Brotherton whom he favoured, and the reason for the family carrying on the name ever since is pride in this royal blood, related in family history but long forgotten now. Any ideas? Thanks! Abby Martin, my email is martin02906@yahoo.com

2 + 2 = 4 said...

As Thomas and his daughter, Margaret, are grandparents of mine, I was happy to read this story. I love that Thomas married who he wanted, and it makes sense, as he had nothing to lose. Thanks for the cool post about my ancestors!

Emőke Kovács said...

I love this post. For some reason I find Edward II's younger brothers very intruguing. And it is also interesting how close Thomas of Brotherton and Thomas de Monthermer were in age and also shared the name. I don't recall Thomas being a common name in the royal family at that time, was it? Can it be in some connection with Thomas of Lancaster? Could they have been named after him?

Kathryn Warner said...

Thanks, Emőke! My theory is that Thomas of Lancaster was born on or around 29 December 1277, the feast of St Thomas Becket, and was named after him. Either Thomas of Brotherton and de Monthermer were named after Thomas of Lancaster, or also after Becket after Edmund of Lancaster and Blanche of Artois did it first, is my thinking.

Emőke Kovács said...

I also read somewhere that Thomas of Brotherton had a second wife. Perhaps it was only Wikipedia, so might not have been the most reliable source. I read quite a few posts in which you refer to the inaccuracies in Wikipedia articles. Do you feel compelled to correct them when you encounter them? Though it would be rather time consuming, I assume... BTW I have just purchased your Philippa of Hainault book and I've found it a very engaging read although I've just begun. And I particularly have a soft spot for all the Hungarian references :).

Kathryn Warner said...

Thomas did have another wife, called (IIRC) Mary Brewes, and she was his widow when he died in 1338, but they had no children and I know almost nothing about her. Many years ago, in about 2007, I did edit a couple of Wiki articles, but have no idea how to do it any more, and yeah, really can't find the time! Thank you for buying the book and so glad you're enjoying it (and the Hungarian refs!). :)

Emőke Kovács said...

Then one more similarity with Thomas de Monthermer? I wonder how frequent the name 'Brewes' was, or how old the family was in England. Is it possible that they were related?

Kathryn Warner said...

I tend to assume that the nobility were always related. :) There were the Braoses as well, whose name was often spelt Brewosa in medieval documents.